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GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« on: March 16, 2005, 11:57:43 PM »
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We've had a few :newhere: members sign-up :clapping: even before they got/picked up their Bichon :pacifier: puppy, which is great! :clap:

To help these and future Bichon :fluff: parents-to-be , I thought I'd share a PUPPY CHECK LIST :see: that ED & I used when we went to pick up Bianca :wub:.



To assess Bichon :pacifier: puppy's temperament....
:bulb: Pick up the puppy and observe his behavior.
(a) Cringe
(b) Tentative
(c) Relaxed
(d) Resists
(e) Bites



:bulb: Take the puppy to a quiet area away from the litter, put him/her down, and watch the way he explores.
(a) or (b) or (c) or (d) or (e) as above



:bulb: Roll the puppy on his/her back, hold him/her there for a minute, and see what he/she does.
(a) or (b) or (c) or (d) or (e) as above



Preferably you want one :pacifier: that scores mostly (b)s and/or (c)s.  You definitely don't want one that bites (indicating aggressiveness).  Then again, it could be the pup is inquisitive & is play-biting.  One who cringes at everything will likely grow up to be submissive (which in turn can result in submissive-aggression).  But if you cut the timid puppy some slack, it could very well be he/she is just scared from having been 'plucked' away from his/her dam, littermates, out of the playpen.  But generally, puppies should be inquisitive, and usually show no fear (charging at everything).


Hope this helps!



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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 12:08:36 AM »
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To assess Bichon :pacifier: puppy's general health/appearance

:bulb: EARS: Should be pink and clean, no odour or dark discharge.

:bulb: MOUTH: Inside of mouth & gums should be pink, and teeth should be clean & white.  No malformation of mouth/jaw.

:bulb: EYES: Dark eyes should be clear and bright.  No signs of discharge.

:bulb: NOSE: Should not be crusted or running.

:bulb: BODY: Feels compact and substantial to the touch, never bony and undernourished; not bloated.

:bulb: SKIN: No eruptions on the skin.  No fleas or ticks.

:bulb: LEGS: Should be straight.  As pup walks towards you, front legs should move directly forward, as should the rear legs when puppy is moving away from you.  Movement should be free & easy.

:bulb: And finally no signs of diarrhea.



This may all sound very common sense, but with the proliferation of puppy mills and backyard breeders, you can never be sure.  Buying from a reputable, respected and responsible breeder is half the battle won.


New owners, bichon-mummies/daddies-to-be, feel free to post question(s) about picking/choosing the right puppy here in this thread :nodding:.  We shall all be more than happy to help, wherever we can :flowers:.




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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 05:54:50 AM »
 :)  Very informative article thank you for posting it.  I hope it will help people that are interested in buying a Bichon.  They really are beautiful dogs and seem to have a good disposition.  We love ours!!

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 03:21:46 PM »
I have a question! How do you know it likes you??

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 12:26:35 PM »
I have a question! How do you know it likes you??

You'll just bond with eachother :inlove: if not straight away then within a few days! :wink:
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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 01:35:13 PM »
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How do you know it likes you??

I havent found one living thing that my girls dont like.They adore every person they have come in contact with.They like other dogs.I think Lady would try and play with the meanest pitbull around.They are sooo good with my 1 yr old grandson and he grabs at them and such.Only makes them go back for more.

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 09:46:10 PM »
Do any of you savy posters out there know if there is a thread that talks about female vs male bichons, I thought I had seen one once but just can't find it now,... please  :help: 

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 10:47:08 PM »
Here are a few threads on Male vs Female Bichons...

http://bichon-frise.ca/forum/index.php?topic=2702.0
(poll on female and males)

http://bichon-frise.ca/forum/index.php?topic=2431.0
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 10:51:56 PM »
Here is a basic article about male vs female dogs... but with Bichons I dont think the gender makes a difference...

http://www.timbreblue.com/petdogs-l/getting_gender.htm
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 11:07:05 PM »
:thankyou: Jane
That give some food for thought, I knew there were some threads on the subject, kudos to you for finding it so fast  :clapping:

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You are VERY welcome Barb  :flowers:
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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2007, 02:50:23 AM »
Could I get some advice on selecting for breed-standard physical traits while bichon pups are "just weaned" sized?  I have 1st pick, and have to choose in just a few days.  Skull shape ...  larger, squarer skull, or slightly smaller and more rounded?  Eye rim pigment ... how soon should I see black "eyeliner" on both eyes, and how much longer for black halo to develop?  Color ... is it true that pups with some "buff" coloring on ears tend to develop thicker coats or is this the breeder blowing smoke?   Does "buff" fade as pup gets older?   Any and all advice is welcome.  I know how to choose a good "pet", but this one I hope to make a Showgirl, too!

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2007, 09:13:58 PM »
Could I get some advice on selecting for breed-standard physical traits while bichon pups are "just weaned" sized? 

I think the great info that Del (EDDEL) supplied in this thread would relate to a 'just weaned' puppy :thumbsup:  Although for some reason the pictures are missing :thumbdown:  I'm sure Del :vain: will be online in a few hours & give you some more tips for what to look out for :clapping:


I cant wait to 'meet' your showgirl :wub:  I do hope you stick around & introduce her to us all here! :swing:


:whistling: I ended up with the runt of the litter (didnt bother me in the slightest though) but believe me, in my eyes... he'd outshine any showdog :love_eyes:  So whatever puppy :pacifier: you pick, you'll be head over heels in :loveword2: as soon as you set eyes on her! :icon12:
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2007, 09:25:27 PM »
Quote from: MisTrish link=topic=785.msg71259#msg71259
how soon should I see black "eyeliner" on both eyes, and how much longer for black halo to develop?  Color ... is it true that pups with some "buff" coloring on ears tend to develop thicker coats or is this the breeder blowing smoke?   Does "buff" fade as pup gets older?

Well, I'm no expert...that's for sure....Princess is my one and only but, I can tell you my experience.....

Princess had wonderfully black "eyeliner and lipstick" (as my daughter calls it) and nose when I adopted her at 8 weeks...and I don't know if black can get blacker, but her colour sure is licorice dark now!!!  And, when we first saw Princess, she had "blonde" on her ears and a smudge of it on her back.  As she grew, the blonde completely left her ears altogether but not on her back.....but, I am a huge coffee drinker so everyone says that I spilled coffee on her to make the stain...so we always go with that.   As I understand it, even show dogs are allowed a certain % of blonde...Del will know the facts, she'll be along soon to help!

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Re: GETTING A BICHON? Checklist: choosing pet/show puppy
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2007, 06:06:50 AM »
:hello: Trish!  How exciting :yahoo: it must be for you to be picking out your fluff!!
I'm no expert by any means :blush: (I hope to show someday :blush:), but here are my thoughts.....



Could I get some advice on selecting for breed-standard physical traits while bichon pups are "just weaned" sized?...... this one I hope to make a Showgirl, too!
Picking out a show prospect from a litter of Bichon :pacifier: pups
First of all, you must bear in mind that a 'promising' puppy @ 6 or 8 weeks of age may or may not :no2: necessarily turn out to be show quality (the head can coarsen, muzzle can grow too long, coat can change, pigment can fade, and the list goes on!).  Even the most experienced of breeders make mistakes sometimes, identifying a show prospect.  But if you have the :help: of your breeder (in identifying that showgirl :vain:) you're half way there! :original:

Here are more points (off the top of my head :blush: that is what I can remember, and referring to the BREED STANDARD (here's a discussion of the breed standard on our board :yeah:)




:bulb: The SKULL behind the eyes should be broad and the MUZZLE should be short at this age.  As mentioned in said thread, the EAR leathers should reach halfway down the muzzle.


:bulb: EYES should be round(-shaped, not almond) and not showing any white when looking forward.  Look for the equilateral triangle 'formed' by the eyes and nose.  Eyes that are set too wide apart or too close AND muzzle that is too long will give a 'wrong' look.


:bulb: Look for a scissor-bite in pup's MOUTH.  But remember, the eruption of adult teeth (between 4 to 6 months), replacing the deciduous teeth, might very well change a 'bite' (:arrow: undershot & overshot are covered in the said/referenced "BREED STANDARD discussion thread" I think). 


:bulb: PIGMENT on the nose, lips, eye-rims and even paw pads must be unbroken black.  Excellent pigmentation is often manifested on the skin too.  PS: If ya find one with black nails, I'd say you're very lucky!


:bulb: A puppy COAT is rather difficult to 'judge' at this young age as it can change.  A thick, soft, dense coat is of course preferable to a thin, sparse coat.  More often than not, there'll be beige/apricot markings on puppies, which usually fade as the pup matures.  In AKC's breed standard, any color in excess of 10% of the entire coat of a mature exhibit is a fault.  But here in Singapore (which follows the U.K. breed standard) a show Bichon has to be 100% white.



to be continued :blush:.......


:bulb: I was gonna talk about LEGS but saw in the above 1st post it's covered.  Besides it being straight (when viewed from the front), the "feet" must not turn in or out (we had quite a :heat: discussion about Bichons having "Queen Anne's feet" sometime back).  Also, the back legs should have a good bend of stifle (look at pics of show Bichons, while they're stacked).


:bulb: TAIL as mentioned in the "BREED STANDARD discussion thread" should not be kinked or curled too tightly.  A high-set tail will give the desired 'curved over back' plume look. 


:bulb: Last but not least (and often overlooked I think by new owners) is overall SIZE.  The pup's shape should be square.  Meaning, its height from withers down to the ground and its length from withers to the tailset should be equal.  If the puppy appears long in back or short on leg, chances are these faults will remain.


:bulb: For those thinking of getting a male puppy, check that his TESTICLES are descended into the scrotum.  That said, some pups' testicle (could be one or could be both) don't descend till much later or not at all.  Pups with retained testicles (read this thread on our board about retained testicles) cannot be shown.




The one other thing that's not explicitly expressed in the BREED STANDARD per se is 'attitude'.  Bred well, all Bichon Frise :pacifier: puppies will have that signature gay, cheerful temperamant.  But that one puppy who is more 'bossy' :wink2: (observe the whole litter, their interaction etc),-- all other points (above) being equal -- is the one who's more likely to do well in a showring.  Watching a confident Bichon strut his/her stuff :kicking: is poetry in motion :tongue2: (CLICK HERE to be mesmerized by a showring full of Bichons! :drool:)




Hope this helps Trish :flowers:

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2007, 06:58:50 PM »
Ohhhhh, after reading this Del, I think I'll just keep Princess, after all  :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:  Well, except her "coffee stain" that is.....but, after all, we are in Canada so, they'll forgive it seeing as it is certainly far less than 10% of her coat!  :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:  Now I know why Princess has lots of black skin....I thought she was a polar cub!

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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2009, 06:17:46 PM »
in some countries the bisque(coffe stain) is not allowed, but in the USA we allow 10% as 2 of my champions have some bisque, you have to have it in a white breed somewhere along the lines or you start losing other pigment, as we see in the USA when the butt hole does not have skin pigment or black in that area , the scrotum or the root of the tail..............................black skin blotches isa good thing to the point of having also silver blue skin instead of the pink...........

I was gonna talk about LEGS but saw in the above 1st post it's covered.  Besides it being straight (when viewed from the front), the "feet" must not turn in or out (we had quite a  discussion about Bichons having "Queen Anne's feet" sometime back).  Also, the back legs should have a good bend of stifle (look at pics of show Bichons, while they're stacked).

when picking a puppy for show, what we are talking about is when you hold the puppy under his chin and behind his legs and look to the fron the legs should hang straight, you can only see this if you are holding one without any pressure on the joints.

as puppies we actually want to see them slightly toe out as there chests have not droppped into place and that than casues the toes to go straight forward.    but as puppies they are usually crooked looking ...........
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 05:07:43 PM »
When getting your new bichon please avoid getting them from puppy mills. Those who care more about profit than that of the welfare of the animals. If you wanted to read more about puppy mills please google it or click on the link below.

http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/puppy-mills


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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2010, 05:33:06 PM »
I had to laugh at the first part of this Dell as Lucy didnt score any a's b's c's d's ect, cos I didnt see giddy, giddy, giddy there  :laughing: