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« on: May 22, 2016, 02:17:30 PM »

Idle question really stimulated by a thread on another list I belong to.  When we got our first bichon they were few and far between.  Now I think they are in pockets as it were.  Very popular where we live in the north east of England.  We were at the coast today and saw probably half a dozen (6 for those of you who are metric).  Ours were of course the prettiest (tongue in cheek)  original.  But in other parts of the country you don't see any.  Are they more prevalent in an urban rather than country setting?  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2016, 08:59:13 AM »

I rarely see them.  And to see 6 in one day?  Five would have to be mine! 
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2016, 11:13:45 AM »

It is really odd Sandie. Saw few when we were on the east coast of Scotland but there are 3 others in our village that I know about.  And that doesn't include the various crosses/designer doggies.  Our groomers regularly have another 3-5 in when ours go.  A sight to see   Wub. If we could meet up lol we would have 8!
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2016, 06:04:45 PM »

I do,but then I live in South Wales and sadly puppy farming here.Abby came from a lovely breeder but so many don't
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2016, 12:18:44 AM »

There are so few around here in my area of very Northern California that I generally know which one I'm seeing (Pavlov, Roo..)
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2016, 04:17:02 PM »

Ah - had forgotten about the puppy farms Alison  crybaby No wonder you see so many bichons.  There were people importing from Irish puppy farms into our area and selling on their 'pedigree, home reared' bichons a couple of years ago but I think (hope) it died down after the involvement of trading standards.  Abby is one very luck girl  Wub

Chris - I know the bichons who liv in our village by name.  Gucci lives about 10 doors down from us bless him - another big bichon like Bengy.  But as for all the rest!!!! Where do they come from?
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 06:37:25 PM »

I see two or three bichons in my suburban neighborhood, and, when I visit downtown Philadelphia, I see a few there too. It seems to be as common for me to see "poochons."
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2016, 04:50:08 PM »

Ah, the designer doggies. We see some bichon crosses but not as many as bichons.   I don't know what the situation is in other parts of the world but these poor little ones are ending up in rescue in the UK despite their exorbitant costs as do bichons of course.

(Met a Jack Russel/Staffordshire bull terrier cross in the vets yesterday - looked like a short in length basset on steroids.  Interesting combination!)
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 01:43:38 PM »

Pam, do you have any sense of why bichons and poochons are going to rescue? In my area, the rescue groups often say that the owner is now too old to take care of the pet. Do you think that it's really house-training problems that are the cause? I thought poochons were supposed to be easier to house-train than bichons because poodles "recognize patterns" more easily.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2016, 03:44:17 PM »

We used to work for Bichon Frise Rescue in the UK about 10 years ago.  There is some really good information on bichons on the site http://www.bichonfriserescue.co.uk/.

In no special order and just my random thoughts. For myself I believe many people don't do their research and buy on a whim. And when they want a bichon they want it now so get one wherever they can irrespective of the source. Puppy farmed dogs may be sold too young - not socialised etc etc and bring problems with them that the purchaser does not or cannot deal with. People aren't aware of the needs for regular grooming and the costs involved if you don't learn to do it yourself. The costs of kennelling or whatever when you go on holiday. Vet's costs. I had Pepe at the vet's yesterday and it cost over £100 for consultation and medication. The critical need of a bichon for companionship - they don't do well if just left all day. Separation anxiety can bring messing in the home, destruction of goods as well as the constant howling/crying. Barking (bichons can be very vocal) - neighbours complaining. Not always good with young children who treat them lie a toy then they snap And yes - older owners going into care.  Bichons are clever, manipulative little dears - get away with blue murder - but what is acceptable in a puppy is not acceptable in a grown dog so nipping etc can becomes a problem. Not matching the furniture now (yes - have had that one
There is probably loads of other stuff I haven't even thought of and of course it sounds horrendous.

Three of mine were rescues. Poppy handed in because her coat was a problem. She came nude. Would have cost over £1000 at the time. Why didn't they think before they bought her? Titch, God rest her soul, was a stray on the streets of Manchester. We think she was a failed breed dog. Bengy was the result of a dispute between man and wife. Not macho enough for the man. Get rid of the dog or I'll walk - and lady kept the man! They replaced Bengy with a German Shepherd cross. Then he was sent back to rescue because he was too big and barked. At 7 months he had had 3 homes poor dog. We thought he needed some stability and he has been here for 10 years lol.

And I think many of the above apply to all dogs really. So sad
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 05:18:08 PM »

This is all why I've been trying to learn as much about bichons, and dogs in general, before acquiring one.  I would feel terrible if I got a puppy and had to give him/her away because of my lack of preparation.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 12:58:41 PM »

But you are doing your research which is great - and thinking the whole bichon ownership through which is also great  thumbup I wasn't meaning to just be negative but you did ask why I thought they were ending up in rescue. I am honestly not sure it is worse for the bichon than other breeds.  In the UK there is a breed rescue for most breeds now including some very exotic/expensive ones.  Sadly part of the must have society we have become - must have without the responsibility.

But - bichons are a joy Wub and I love mine (despite their naughtiness) dearly.  DO have a look at the BFR site - their info is spot on.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 01:10:16 PM »

Pam, your reply made sense considering the question I asked. I am very interested in finding out the negatives as well as the *many* positives. And thank you for letting me know about the Bichon Frise Rescue site. One thing I am determined about: I will not acquire a BF until I can guarantee that either my fiance or I will be home for substantially all of the day.
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2016, 12:36:37 PM »

Well, the worst has happened, my DH is being tended to by Hospice, without much time left.  He wants me to place Toby with someone who will love him like we do. 

I have to think of my autistic grandson who has been neglected too long. And selfishly I don't want the responsibility of a dog. He has separation anxiety so bad.  He is the first dog I've  ever seen not afraid of thunder storms, he sit in the window and barks at the thunder!!

He has a wonderful personality.

I want to place him with someone familiar with Bichon's or better yet has some. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2016, 12:47:11 PM »

Coastal Bichon, I am sorry to read of your troubles. Here's a site that may help  you:

http://bichonrescue.org/

The organization is sponsored by the Bichon Frise Club of America. It will help you find a local rescue group that can help place your Toby. These groups are careful about screening potential adopters.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2016, 01:10:32 PM »

Well, the worst has happened, my DH is being tended to by Hospice, without much time left.  He wants me to place Toby with someone who will love him like we do. 

I have to think of my autistic grandson who has been neglected too long. And selfishly I don't want the responsibility of a dog. He has separation anxiety so bad.  He is the first dog I've  ever seen not afraid of thunder storms, he sit in the window and barks at the thunder!!

He has a wonderful personality.

I want to place him with someone familiar with Bichon's or better yet has some. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2016, 02:30:26 PM »

I'm so very sorry to hear about your husband. I'm sure you'll do what's best for your family. No one can judge that hasn't walked in your shoes. Take care of yourself.
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2016, 02:43:07 PM »

Just wanted to add that a good rescue group will not hand Toby to the first person who wants him. Toby will likely go to a foster-parent, who can observe Toby and see what he's like; for instance, does he seem like the kind of dog who needs other dogs in the house?  (Maybe that will help his separation anxiety). The group will then assess potential adopters -- Toby will attract some, for sure --  and place Toby with an owner who can meet his needs. The group will not walk away at that point; they will monitor and even do a home visit to make sure that Toby is doing well. So you can feel assured that he will not neglected. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2016, 03:40:44 PM »

I echo what Chris and Craig have said.  I am sorry that things have worked out so badly for your family and wanted you to know I am thinking about you all.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2016, 02:13:05 AM »

How can I be sure I find a reputable Rescue group, there are a lot of shady looking one's out there.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2016, 01:28:09 PM »

Here's an idea: go to Petfinder.com and act as though you're searching for a bichon. You'll see that each dog will have a rescue group listed. Those groups work with petfinder, and are reputable.  (Check other  similar breeds, like maltese, and you may find more organizations that handle bichons. You can also go to "smallpaws.com," a well-known group.

FWIW, a family in my area recently surrendered *eight* bichons (young, but not puppies) to the rescue group. The fosters are trying to figure out which are reliably house-trained. (It's not easy for an owner to know who is house-trained when he/she has so many dogs!). Those dogs will surely be placed so long as they aren't biters or something of that kind.
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