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Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« on: January 20, 2011, 12:21:57 PM »
My Bichon, Darla 14 years old, passed away Christmas Eve.  We have an opportunity to purchase a 2 year old female from a reputable breeder.  The breeder just found out that this Bichon has a level one luxating patella.  Would anyone have had any experience with their Bichon with this medical problem.  I understand in the event down the road the dog should need surgery it can be very costly. Vet will not do surgery on level one but is it possible it would just stay level one or progress in time to a higher level needing surgery.  It is a beautiful Bichon but apprehensive due to this.   

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 12:35:53 PM »
Sorry to hear about your loss.  It is wonderful that you are considering a giveing a new  :fluff: a home.  I don't have any experience with patellas but am pretty sure a couple of the others have so I am sure they will be along to offer some good advice. 

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 12:54:09 PM »
Thank you so much for your reply.  Love the pictures of Max.  He is a cutie.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 12:59:22 PM »
How sad to lose a pet on Christmas Eve, let alone a 14 year member of the family.  I am sorry for your loss.

I don't have direct experience with this.  I think in a young dog, chances are  this will worsen over time as the dog is going to be ACTIVE.

Here is a link to the Bichon Information Station.  The top is all health issues.  Click on Patella Luxation in the far right column to read up on this.

http://www.bichonfriseusa.com/


Also, why got discuss this with your vet?  He or she will have done this surgery and will have info for you as well.

From friends who have dealt with this, if you catch it at the proper time and have the surgery, the dog will have a complete recovery.  The tough part is keeping the dog on "bed rest" for th 6 weeks of healing.  Try telling a bichon NOT to blitz!

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 01:11:36 PM »
I did speak to 2 vets yesterday.  Each had a different opinion.  First one thought it could progressively worsen.  The other vet said it could possible stay at level one but no guarantee.  I agree with you completely about the recovery period.  Keeping a Bichon quiet for 6 weeks I think would be very difficult as I remember fondly the Bichon blitz.  Like very much the pictures of Willy.  How old is he?  Also, thanks for the link.  Will try it.

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 01:12:42 PM »
I'm so sorry for your loss :sad:.... it's difficult as is on any other day, what more on Christmas Eve. :closedeyes:  

You obviously love the breed very much, and I applaud you for getting a Bichon from a reputable breeder.  I should think the breeder is not planning on breeding this female's sire & dam anymore, and is selling you the female with the condition that she be (if not already) spayed.

What I've read/learnt about luxating patellas is from OFA's website.  Here is the .

Here are also links to threads on our forum, by members who have shared their (Bichon's) experience with patella luxation.
:arrow: Betty Boop's surgery and recovery (more updates in the continuing pages)
:arrow: Zoe diagnosed with patella luxuation
:arrow: Sammy who had surgery

And the most recent threads about Abby's surgery (& recovery) :arrow: here.  Alison (Abby's mum) will be along I'm sure to post, and give you more links to her threads if you so desire. 

Hope the threads help.  Let us know what you decide on.



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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 01:53:00 PM »
Thank you so much for this information.  The breeder was very upset when she just recently found this out from her vet.  She had planned on showing this Bichon.  This Bichon is definitely going to be spayed and she has never had a litter in the past.   Bianca is adorable.  Love her name.

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 02:14:34 PM »
As Del said Abby had patella surgey on both knees a year ago.1 in Nov 09 and 1 in Feb 10.It cost just under £4000.

It was found after she fell off a window sill a year a couple of years before.The vet said it wasn't caused by that,but the examination that followed it found it.She was fine for a year and had a low grade luxation at that point.

We then noticed she would yell and look behind her and be scared for an hour or so.She never limped.It got more frequent and we found that the luxation had progressed.

We were very lucky to have one of the best specialists in the country nearby and he recommended surgery.

Surgery needs to be done sooner rather than later to prevent damage to the joint and if the cruciate ligament also ruptures it makes surgery more complicated and is likely to happen as it gets worse.

Surgery was difficult for both of us as she needed to be totally restricted for 8 weeks after each surgery and then activity slowly built up afterwards .I can go into more detail if you need to know.

She is totally fine now,but you have to be prepared for the work.She doesn't need any special care

I would make some arrangement with the breeder re costs of surgary is needed as insurance will not cover you now its diagnosed.You would need to find a very good specialist,as it needs to be done properly.

Not all dogs will need surgery,but you need to be prepared in case she does.It would be impossible to I hope she finds a very good home.It would worry me a bit that the breeder is selling her rather then just trying to find her a good home.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 02:39:05 PM »
Hi Alison,  What you wrote is really informative.  As much as I want  to purchase this Bichon I am really afraid to knowingly do it with this problem.  The breeder is firm on the price of $1200.  Your statement that the breeder should probably just find her a good home has made me stop and think.  In the event surgery was needed I know that I would be on my own for payment. Do you think it would be wise to wait and look for another one?  Great pictures of Abby.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 02:46:39 PM »
Unless the breeder agrees to cover at least most of the cost it seems totally unreasonable for her to be charging that amount.In my opinion anyway.What is the breeder saying about potential future surgery costs?

At least if she had been insured as a pup you would have had the chance of them covering it.Does she have insurance and would it be transferable to you? You'd have to be sure it covered genetic ( possible cause,not proven ) problems as policies don't.We were lucky that Abby's insurance did cover it.

I'm sure she is a good pedigree and maybe the breeder charges more usually,but its still a huge amount.I'm not sure what surgery would cost in your country,but not a lot less I wouldn't think.

Its so hard for you as you are still grieving for your little one.If it were me I would keep looking unless the breeder comes up with a better offer ( at least I'd like to think I'd be sensible ).

On the other hand I want the other dog to get a good home,but hopefully the breeder will see reason if she doesn't get a taker straight away.Alison

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 03:01:32 PM »
The breeder lives 3 hours from my home and sent me pictures.  Pictures are really cute. When I spoke to breeder about this problem she made very light of it.  I know she would like me to purchase this Bichon so she is not going to discourage me from it ,  She has no insurance that could be transferred to me.  It is one thing to have a Bichon that has been checked out healthy but totally a different situation to purchase one with a problem.  If you have a Bichon and it becomes ill you would do every thing in your power to make your Bichon healthy again.  Surgery in USA would cost approximately $2000 to $3000.  Any Bichon coming to our home would have won the Lottery as it would be coming to a loving and caring home. We are suppose to go to see the Bichon next week but to tell you the truth I am afraid to go for fear I will fall in love with her using my heart and not my head.  What do you think?

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 03:07:31 PM »
Is that price just for 1 knee? It would seem low for both.Bichons can have luxtion in 1 knee,but it is more common in both.Even if one is othering her now has the other been checked?

Just remember every Bichon is cute and you'd love pics of anyone you saw.

Did you want one of such an expensive pedigree? Small Paws have Bichons for rescue if you want an older one,or did you want a pup?

I had no idea of Abby's problem until she was 2 and her brother from the same litter is fine.I would have had the surgery done whatever the cost,as you say ,if the insurance had not covered it.

I'd ask the breeder if she would cover it or contribute if you are fixed on having her.Are there other breeders nearer you? Maybe other members will point you in the right direction,where are you? Alison

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 03:17:50 PM »
I can't speak to the patella issue but wanted to chime in re: the price. That is the going rate in the San Francisco area for a purebred puppy. I've always assumed an adult would be less. In fact, when we were meeting with breeders, one had a 10 month old that was returned to him for non-health reasons (owner situation had changed), and he was going to sell him to us for hundreds less because he was older. With the breeder knowing you will be incurring major vet costs, it's hard to believe she'd still be 'firm' on that price. I would hesitate, for sure.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but maybe if you spend a bit more time, the ideal situation (whatever that may be) will present itself.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 03:21:33 PM »
I, too, am sorry for your loss.  Having been through it myself, it is a very difficult time.  

My first bichon, Scruffy, had a luxating patella.  He was a stray that showed up on our doorstep, (under a year old) so we had no idea of his history.  His knee would go out if he pulled on the leash.  He wouldn't yelp or anything.  I would massage it back in place and he was good to go.  He wasn't as active as my current bichon, so he never had to have surgery on it.  We had him for almost 12 years.  

I also think the price is outrageous for a fluff that needs expensive surgery.  We have always adopted from rescue.  Perhaps that would work for you as well.  There are so many fluffs out there in need of a good home.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.  Looking forward to seeing/meeting your precious bundle when you do make that decision.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 03:36:47 PM »
Thanks to everyone for helping me to be able to make a decision.  You have all been wonderful. Bichons are little angels!  I will let you know what we decide.  Your input has been extremely valuable.

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 03:36:59 PM »
Can I just add one thing,please come back and let us know how you get on.We would love to offer support and comfort for you during this time whatever you decide .
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 06:45:03 PM »
Thank you so much Alison.  I will let you know what I decide.  This board is absolutely wonderful.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 08:55:51 PM »
So sorry your Darla passed away.  
I think since you are purchasing a dog and not a adopting that you really should think twice before purchasing a dog with a problem like a luxating patella. You do not know for sure if it will get worse or not.  Clearly the breeder is selling her because she cannot breed her as she has this problem, so it is serious enough to not ethically be able to breed her.  Really, the breeder should be placing her in a home rather than selling her.

Sometimes grade 1 luxating patellas won't progress or cause much trouble, but it is probably a good idea to look at more Bichons before you choose. If you do choose this girl than I am sure you will love her and she will be happy! Just take care not to let her get injured when jumping up or down off things.

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***ADD:  I just went through the thread to read the other replies and saw that you said the breeder is asking for $1200. Wow that is a lot of money for a dog with a potentially serious problem. Really a good breeder would adopt her out to a good home with someone who could for sure afford the surgery later down the road for even both knees (as was mentioned, it can show up in both) and the most the breeder should be asking for is maybe $300 as an adopt fee.  What the dog's pedigree is, has no bearing in this situation because patellar luxation can be hereditary, so this line is now in question. I wouldn't be purchasing this dog. There are many many beautiful Bichons to be found. It is good you are asking questions before making the leap, but I do really hope you get a Bichon again. They are so wonderful!
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 09:11:44 PM »
Thank you so much for your kind words.  Everyone on these boards have been just great.  We were seriously thinking of getting her but after talking to my vet and everyone here that loves the Bichon breed we are leaning towards waiting. It really hurts when you no longer have that little fluff ball greeting you with a ton of love every time you come home even when you have only been gone for a few minutes. Where are you located?  We are from the Boston area. Sky, Star and Rosa are soooooo cute.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2011, 09:18:36 PM »
That seems like a ridiculous price for an adult w/ known issues.  Heck that's a ridiculous price for a puppy w/ known issues.

My Izzy has mild luxating patellas.  When she "dances" too much (like Bichons do) you can see her limp sometimes....but I almost never see it bother her.

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2011, 09:37:39 PM »
I thought the price was somewhat outrageous too but it is helpful to know that other people feel the same way. How old was Izzy when you found out she had this problem? Does she ever cry from discomfort.  Sure hope not. What has your Vet told you about what level she has?  Do you think she will need surgery eventually? Izzy Christmas is really nice.  Love the blue color.

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 09:43:49 PM »
So sorry for the loss of your furbaby.  I know that it was even worse with it being on Christmas Eve.  Hope that you will be able to find the right new  :fluff: for you.  They are so special and so loving and makes your life complete.  

Coming in a little late, but I, like the others would be concerned about the possibilties of having to have surgery and the cost.  It is not like you are going to show the dog or breed her so the pedigree will not matter.  I think that unless she is willing to pay for or at least split the cost of the surgery, then I would be hesitant.  My breeder will place some of her females that she is not going to breed any longer in loving home.  She does not charge for them as she just wants good homes for them.  Please be sure and let us know what you decide about this little girl  :fluff:

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 09:44:24 PM »
My girls are retired breeding stock (well the poodle was to be breeding stock, but she grew too tall so they stopped showing her at 11 months and re-homed as a pet). Anyway, the only thing I paid for them was to reimburse their breeders the spay fees. I would not count on this person to help cover any surgery costs if she is looking to take in that kind of fee for an adult dog with medical issues.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 09:54:18 PM »
Chich has a grade one luxating patella. I hope exercise and excellent diet will strengthen the knee and she will not need surgery. Even with surgery the dog will end up with arthritis later on as a senior because of the surgery. Catch 22 as my vet says!

I picked up Chichs problem- the vet thought I was fixating at first. I know this breed so well as far as common ailments go I noticed her slightly off gait as she got bigger and heavier.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 10:10:10 PM »
Well you really are in between a rock and a hard place.

Firstly  :welcomebichon: and may I add I am sorry that you lost your dear friend and family member Darla at Christmas.  At this time of year makes is especially hard.   It is early days yet and you are still grieving for your pet so take a step back and think about the new bichon in your life.

Luxating patella Grade 1 can stay that wait for a long time and then again it can make progression.  The words - RIP OFF MERCHANT I would apply to the breeder.   Pedigree/blood  lines do not matter in this case as the b*t*h is getting spayed.  Then again the blood line comes into question re the luxating patella which is hereditery.   To ask full price for a 2yr old bichon with health issues - well too much.

Shop around.  There is a  :fluff: baby out there for you.

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 10:29:35 PM »
Lizzie,  Thanks very much for welcoming on to Bichon.Ca.  Everyone's message to me has been just about the same.  I must use my head and not my heart in this instance.  Do you have more than one Bichon? 

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 10:51:11 PM »
I am so sorry for your loss and I understand your longing to fill your arms again and also wanting to help a fluff with a health problem, but once again I eco everyone else on this.  I used to breed cats and I would not sell any kittens with issues at all,  for ones that may have something small like an umbilical hernia, I got my vet to give a quote to remove it during speying and deducted that from the cost of the kitten. Good luck finding a new love.  I feel sad that the breeder is being so greedy, instead of happy that she could have a home for this wee girl and a good home I am sure.

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2011, 10:56:57 PM »
Thank you so much for your reply.  Love the pictures of Max.  He is a cutie.

Thanks, we think so!!   :laughing:

Looks like you have gotten lots of good advice.   Keep looking and your  :fluff: will find you. 

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2011, 06:17:38 AM »
Even with surgery the dog will end up with arthritis later on as a senior because of the surgery. Catch 22 as my vet says!
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Abby's specialist has said she won't be more prone to arthritis than any other dog,thank goodness , as the surgery was done before damage was caused to the joint and it has now been corrected.It was one of our concerns and was fully discussed before we went ahead.

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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2011, 10:01:05 AM »
You won't have to wait long if you adopt a rescue!  There are so many in need of a loving home.  In CA you have many to choose from at Bichon Furkids Rescue.  I looked at the dogs and Nell sounds lovely for you!  Here's a link:
http://www.bichonfurkids.org/bios#Nell
You could also consider Small Paws Rescue. They always give high points to former bichon owners who had a dog that lived a full, long life such as your dear Darla.
Best of luck to you!  I'm sure your new baby is out there waiting!

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2011, 12:11:51 PM »
Nell sounds wonderful Mary Ellen.I hope she gets a lovely home very soon.Alison

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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2011, 12:42:54 PM »
Hi Mary Ellen, I live in Massachusetts too.  Thank you for the information.  We have decided not to get the bichon with the health problem.  Saw the post you sent to Bokala.  We actually would like a small female bichon.  We have contacted a few breeders but no luck so far.  Don't want to rush in to getting one even though they are all so cute and nice.  Really prefer one on the small side.  Do you know of any breeders I could contact on the East Coast.  We do not mind traveling to get one.

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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2011, 01:09:49 PM »
There are many breeders on the East Coast.  Here is the link to the national breed club's (ie. BFCA's) Breeder Directory & Information Source :see:.  Hope this helps. :original:


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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2011, 01:23:35 PM »
Thank you very much.  Am going to research the link you sent me.  Bianca is a doll!    Jane

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« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2011, 01:37:22 PM »
I would recommend LilyWhite bichons, though that would require a road trip/flight.

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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2011, 02:16:32 PM »
Hi Bluebell, Thank you very much. Believe it or not I did talk to LilyWhite Bichon breeder last night.  She said she will only have boys and we have our heart set on a girl. We have no problem with taking a flight if need be.
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2011, 05:14:23 PM »
Hi Everyone that has been so kind to me in making this decision.
We decided not to purchase the Bichon with the luxating patella problem.  It was a hard decision to make but after all the good advice we got from the forum we thought it was the best decision.  Thanks to everyone for your help.  I am sure in time we will find our little angel too.    Jane

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2011, 05:28:27 PM »
Hard as it was, i think you made the right decision. There will be a lovely Bichon out there who is just right for you (and will steal your heart).

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 05:56:11 PM »
Just wanted to say im sorry you lost your little baby before Christmas, we lost Millie 3 days before Christmas, she was only 5 and it was a huge shock, we got a pup last week. It has helped but obviously he is not millie and I still cry for her. Good luck with the hunt

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2011, 06:02:41 PM »
I think you made the right decision and I hope the little one with the bad knees find the right home soon after her breeder sees sense.

I look forward to you finding just the right little one for you very soon.Alison

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2011, 10:13:32 PM »
Many people rush into getting a new pup/dog & don't think it through - sometimes making the "wrong" choice.  I think if you have patience, watch & wait - eventually the "right" one for you will come along.

Just be aware - breeders often "guarantee" a pup will be under a certain weight, but even if the parents are both under 9# doesn't guarantee the pup will be.  Izzy's parents were BOTH smaller than she is - she is 11# & they were both about 8 - 9#.

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2011, 10:54:02 PM »
Thank you Natalie.  What you say makes a lot of sense.  I would like a small female but would be thrilled if she was 11 lbs.  In fact, I am sure would love it too even if it were bigger because they are such wonderful pets. How often do you groom Izzy? She looks real cute.

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2011, 10:55:28 PM »
Darla, my girls were bred in Connecticut.  They are small (just 10 pounds).  Their breeder is retired, but upon her retirement she recommended this breeder to me:
http://musicboxbichons.com/index.html
She is on the breeder registry that Del put up for you.  
What part of MA are you in?  I'm in Attleboro.  

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2011, 11:10:18 PM »
OH!  Mary Ellen, that is the Risgae kennel!  I met Phoebe at the dog show what a beauty!
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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2011, 11:54:26 PM »
Izzy gets groomed (haircut) every 6 weeks or so & bathed at least weekly.

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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2011, 12:28:16 AM »
Coming in late, but happy to read you are taking your time and thinking this through.  :thumbup: I'm sorry for your loss   :comfort: but I'm sure it was 14 wonderful years  :angel: and your new baby will soon be found.

Thank you Alison!

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2011, 01:27:11 AM »
My breeder is in Wilmington, NC and I think that she may still have some puppies.  I know that a few weeks ago she had 1 boy and I think a girl or two.  Here is a link to her website. http://www.bichonsofparmele.com/index.html  I have certainly been pleased with Noah who is almost 20 months old.  I am in contact with Terrell often and take Noah to visit her and some of her furbabies.    

Really glad that you decided against the other  :fluff: .  I think that you will be happier with a new puppy or a rescue that does not start out with health problems.

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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2011, 09:39:34 AM »
Hi Mary Ellen,  I live in Danvers, MA.  I also would like a small female bichon 10 lbs or a little more would be great.  I will check on musicbox kennel.  Your girls are adorable.  Thanks for the information.  Jane, Darla's Mom

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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2011, 09:47:43 AM »
Hi Andrea, Noah is a handsome little boy.  Thank you for the website.  I will be checking that one too.  Love seeing the pictures of all the furbabies on line.....

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Re: Getting 2 yr old with luxating patella?
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2011, 09:52:07 AM »
Lin, Lia and Luigi are cute, cute, cute.  Thanks very much for your encouragement.