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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2007, 10:42:26 PM »

You have helped .... and sobered me up a bit too ($$$) !!  crybaby  I will definitely be just 'tidying' him up between groomings for awhile at least.  Based on your comments, I will look at Geib Gator and Cheetah (I had bookmarked the site but so many 'lines' I didn't know which to focus on.). 

We are very warm here from May to Sept so I will keep him fairly short then.  As far as the 'face' is concerned, I was just keying off Bbird's Blog and one comment re. Arius-Eickert 5.5" curved shears which seem 'affordable' for ~$50.  Perhaps those are not an ideal 'learner's choice for us at this point.

Your comments address many concerns and are most welcome!

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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2007, 12:54:14 AM »

No problem, glad I could help some. original Arius Eickhert is another line of shears in that range that will do the job (I'm sorry I didn't think of them for you, my experience with them is limited). if you haven't checked this distributor, www.petedge.com carries a few Geib and Arius Eickhert shears for a good $$, as well as some other brands that I have never used (but may fit your wallet more comfortably wink1).
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2007, 09:25:39 AM »

Tom, good to see you got help2 from Susan and Danielle.  Allow me blush to point you to an article see by Barbara Bird thumbsup, which I had referred to when I was buying my scissors.  Susan will attest.... a good-quality scissors really does nodding make a difference.

Let us know how you get on with home-grooming clapping... and be sure to post/share pics! Stick Out Tongue



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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2007, 12:07:35 PM »

Thank-you all .......especially Susan,  Danielle, EDDEL, Barbara Bird, but ALL !!   yahoo  The learning is wonderful, but I'm impressed with the way it is 'flowing' smoothly toward some solutions.   As with all serious endeavors, each new idea brings some choices.  In my case, I am a serious cook (heavily BBQ/smoker at the moment) and that has introduced me to Japanese cutlery (in a big way!).  I have several good quality Japanese knives and also sharpen them myself (another serious endeavor).  I must now listen and absorb Barbara Bird's comments about Japanese and German scissors .... so that I am not 'scared off' of some good solutions, but avoiding overconfidence which could cause problems.  The Japanese steel is very hard, 'scary' sharp, and the convex edges are something I have no experience with.  No easy answers, but also very intriguing to sort through the issues! 

I certainly remain open to additional thoughts on this ....   hungry

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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2007, 05:22:50 PM »

I love convex shears. heart They give an awesome finish and are super light weight. But I don't sharpen my own shears, I send them out. shrug You certainly are doing your homework, I can't wait to hear about your grooming experiences cheerleader
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2007, 06:00:56 AM »

Thank-you all .......especially Susan,  Danielle, EDDEL, Barbara Bird, but ALL !!   yahoo  The learning is wonderful, but I'm impressed with the way it is 'flowing' smoothly toward some solutions......
Tom, there's another discussion meeting (about scissors too) that might interest you original
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question for Danielle...... when should I 'send' my scissors for sharpening (as in after how many 'uses' or should it be a 'timed' exercise, like once every x months/year)?  Then again, my 2 pairs of scissors are just used once every 8 weeks blush..... not on a daily basis like yours.


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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2007, 10:06:37 PM »

I like to send my shears in when the are no longer cutting the hair while the blade is open, but rather pushing it together before cutting. Clear as mud? You can do the tissue test. Take a facial tissue in one hand and let it hang it the air, and cut it with your shears (this is good to do once you receive them back from the sharpener as well to make sure thay are adjusted right). A sharp shear will make a straight cut from the crescent point to the tip. A dull/loose shear won't cut at all. A shear that is too tight will rip the tissue. This is what my mentor told me and I've always done it (whether there is any science invloved or not shrug Laughing )

edit to add: Some shears I send in all the time, while others go forever. It depends on the qualtiy of the blade, the quality of the sharpener (make sure they aren't just going to grind your blade away, find one who hones them), and what you use them for. This won't apply to Bianca original, but dirty hair will dull the blades much faster than clean hair (so only use them on freshly shampooed hair). You probably won't need to send them in more than once or twice a year (unles you drop them, which can upset the tension and nick the blade).
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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2007, 10:11:43 PM »

thumbsup Thanks for the sharpening info Danielle!  flowers .. I was wondering the same nodding thing too!  blush
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2007, 11:48:32 AM »

I love convex shears. heart They give an awesome finish and are super light weight. But I don't sharpen my own shears, I send them out. shrug You certainly are doing your homework, I can't wait to hear about your grooming experiences cheerleader

I have a chance to add a new set of Arius Eickert Geisha 8315AS (Convex) 5.5" scissors as one of my first purchases!  Maybe an overkill to start, but they are an attractive offer.  My only other existing ones are Italian dropforged 7" straight which pass your 'tissue' test quite well. For the face, ears, and feet, I can either get a ball-tipped 6.5" or the A-E Geishas.  It's a hard choice being new, but the Geishas seem like such a fine quality tool to have longer term. Really no good basis for me to choose one or the other .... except that the 6.5" ball-tipped is so close to the length of the other straight scissors I have.  Grrrrrrrrr.

P.S.   Perhaps these (A-E Geisha) are much more a human hairstylist's tool ???

P.S.S. ... Contact with A-E seems to indicate that these fine scissors may not be ideal for pet hair ... although maybe not a proglem with clean hair and only a single dog application.  Based on this, I guess I will pass on this attractively priced scissor.   crybaby

P.S.S. ___ Bailed and ordered A-E 6.5" Ball-tip.  Clouseau is acting 'relieved' already !!!   rock

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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2007, 01:44:44 PM »

Thank You for answering my question Danielle!  I will nodding try the "tissue paper" test.


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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2007, 06:26:18 PM »

Maybe I'm just having a 'grumpy' day, but with all my searching, and calling, I'm sort of turned off on Arius Eickert, especially their pet scissor/shear line.  Then I start to really step up and get a set of their better scissors (GeishaAS) and they are not really supportive of using them on my Bichon. 
I had started to order their 6.5" ball-tip scissors, and now am just 'put off'  A good alternative looks like Dubl Duck Gold 6.5" ball-tip for essentially the same cost.   The last irritation was the delay in ordering from ProGroomer.com while they took several hours to send me shipping charges by e-mail.  $8.50 for S/H ground (6-10 days).  The Dubl Duck Golds with a case and shipping are 83 cents more.

I'm trying to stay open-minded on this, and would appreciate comments to keep me from starting off with a mistake on my 'first' scissors for Clouseau.   Help if you can please.   bowdown

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2007, 06:58:57 PM »

Maybe I'm just having a 'grumpy' day, ........ and would appreciate comments to keep me from starting off with a mistake on my 'first' scissors for Clouseau.   

  thinking I'm thinking maybe you just need to relax wine and buy the darn things before you give yourself  scared and ulcer!  muack Laughing

 clown I'm just playing truck with ya!  muack .. I'm sure whatever scissors you decide on will be just fine.  thumbsup
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2007, 07:33:06 PM »

..... good observation and advice.   snack  I tend to be fairly intolerant of 'unprofessional' professionals, but my nature is such that I rarely get 'stressed' about things .... more the 'don't get mad, get even' approach. 

What has not been clear until I really started to dig into this topic .... is the huge difference between what is offered for the pet groomer and for the human stylist.  Clearly, the many pro groomers HERE ... have learned what human products work for them and don't spend time worrying about all the rest of the huge morass of product offerings.  My 'ignorance' caused me to assume that there would be one or more fairly complete lines of high-end pet scissors/shears. What I find is that there are a couple products in one line, some in another, and a few odds and ends scattered around throughout various suppliers.  It's not the $50. purchases that concern me, it's the $100. _ $200. choices with few references to 'hang my hat on'.

I might be a 'slow learner', but will now take it a step at a time and pick each tool carefully.  Bear in mind, I am in a small town and there are not many places to see or touch quality products.  Whether any of the 'few' local groomers will share info with me is something I will have to go find out.   

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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2007, 08:12:47 PM »

Tom, it sure seems like you had a stressful day! If there are any brands you have questions on I'll be happy to share my experience (if any) with those companies. Even the mid-range shears are a big investment, and I agree that it would feel better to have someone's advice on the product. As for ordering supplies, I have always been impressed with Petedge (formerly the NE Serum Company). They ship the same day and I have never had a problem with anything. Their East Coast distributor is in Waltham, MA, and I used to drive there to pick up orders when I was still in the state. I believe their West Coast distributor is out of NV, but I don't really remember for sure. Here is their website in case you decide to try them out: www.petedge.com

I kind of lost you when you were talknig about human stylist shear vs. pet grooming shears. The main differences between the two are size. Stylist shears max out at about 5", while grooming shears are usually 6"-10" in length (the blades). Because of the longer blades the shanks are designed differently to balance the weight. We have a few stylist shears at the salon for use on tiny puppies, etc. (we have a lot of dogs who are under 4 lbs.) Currently in my toolbox I have:

7" Talyn Regal Handle straight
7" Talyn Regal Handle curved
8.25" Geib Avanti Cobalt straight
8" Kenchii Yokohama straight
8" Kenchii Lotus straight
8" Les Poochs Unikoto straight
10" curved that I have no idea the brand!
Plus a few cheapies for rough in work/blocking

The Talyn shears are pretty good. I actually really loved them at first, but after a while I found them to be tiring on my wrist (the straights, I hardly ever use curved shears so maybe that's why they never bothered me!). You may find them to be perfect for you as you won't be using them 8 hours a day.

The Geibs and Kenchiis are pretty great, I use them for most of my finish work. I also own a few pairs of these myself that I will be using on my dog. I LOVE the Les Poochs shears Wub I only use them for special dogs, mostly standard poodles who get a lot of scissoring. If I could afford a pair of my own I would buy one!

Please don't stress about this, we are here to help Hug
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2007, 09:33:32 PM »

I cut Human hair on the side.  I went to a local beauty supply place and bought a pair of shears for $60.  They are very sharp and durable.  (Sharp enough to cut my skin Doh)    I thought,  thinking "If they cut human hair well, I'll try them for home grooming."   So, I went and bought a second pair to use on my fluffers fluff and they work great.  So, I invested $60, which bascially is cheaper then having the two of them groomed one time at $45/each! original
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