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Title: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 03, 2017, 01:44:11 PM
Darwin has ruptured the cruciate ligament of his right knee. He was having problems a few weeks ago, I took him to the vet (not the one I prefer; she was away) and was told it was 'definitely not his knee' and that it was a soft tissue injury of his hip. I should have questioned harder, but it takes a lot of strength to argue with good news. On Sunday, he was blitzing in the hallway, stopped short, held the leg up, and never put it back down. Took him to the vet I prefer, she said right away it was his knee, not his hip, and confirmed it with Xrays. He's on Metacam for now and surgery is scheduled for the 19th.

I really feel like I failed him. I repeatedly asked any and all vets that examined him (at least once a year, often more) if he had patellar subluxation, and they repeatedly said no. In fact, they still say no. They say that he already has a good amount of arthritis in both knees and that this is the most common orthopedic injury in dogs. But, he's not exactly out herding sheep every day, so I don't see why it would happen. I don't live in an area where another great vet is a few blocks away to take him for a second opinion- I take him to the best in our area, and to several of the best within that (large) practice. So, I guess I have to accept it, but I just feel like I have failed him.

They'll be doing a joint stabilization surgery because the recovery is easier, there's less complications, he already has arthritis, and he's nearly 8 years old. I hope that's the right decision. It won't give him full range of motion, and he'll likely need arthritis meds.  :crybaby:

So, that's where we are. I appreciate any and all thoughts.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 03, 2017, 07:04:45 PM
Such bad news! You have my sympathies! I do not understand why you think you failed Darwin -- you did the best you could. Let's hope for an easy and successful recovery!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 03, 2017, 07:36:27 PM
Thanks Craig. It's parent guilt I guess-that I didn't protect him from pain.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 03, 2017, 07:38:04 PM
But of course, how could you have protected him from pain? It's part of every creature's life, whether child or pet.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Freedom (Sandie) on March 04, 2017, 10:26:55 AM
Darwin, sending you some cuddles puppa!

Chris, a torn cruciate ligament is rarely related to a luxating patella.   The cruciate ligament gets torn as a 'sports' injury, from running and turning, putting pressure on the ligament at a time when it is stretched.  So the vets may well have been correct all along - and even now - in saying he does NOT have a luxating patella.  Please ease up on your 'mom guilt' trip.

Joint stabilization surgery sounds like a good path for Darwin.  As Frankie had surgery recently,  I will say the hardest part is keeping the pup on bed rest for several weeks post op. 

The best arthritis meds:  Dasuquin WITH MSM.  I buy it on Amazon, as I have all my pups on this now.  Willy, Frankie and Riley all need it for arthritis issues.  Belle and Tasha are on it for prevention.  I use www.camelcamelcamel.com to monitor the price and buy it when the price is lower.  Well, with 5 dogs on it daily, I got through a lot of it.  Anyway, be sure you get the one WITH MSM!  You can start that now, no need to wait for the surgery. 

Hope this helps you.  I'm sorry that you and Darwin have to go through this.  This surgery has a high success rate!  Hang in there.



Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on March 04, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Hi, Chris! Poor little Darwin. You haven't failed him, it sounds like you've been very proactive and thorough, and are getting him the help he needs! I hope he does well.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 04, 2017, 01:19:02 PM
At first it seems like the end of the world,but it really isn't. I burst into tears when the vet told me Abby had ruptured her cruciate a few years after having her patellas done.Its rare for that to happen so upset me even more.

The recovery is longer than for a patella,about 16 weeks.It is hard work,but worth it as the stricter you are with restrictions the less problems they have and better outcome.It does end and its soon ( almost ) forgotten.They forget straight away!!!!

I'm so sorry this has happened to Darwin,but not your fault and he'll soon be all fine again.

If I can help or suggest some of the solutions we found just say.





Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 04, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
Thank you Sandie, Kelly, and Alison. Your words do help.

Sandie, I will definitely look at those meds. The vet said he already has arthritis, so may as well start now.

Kelly! Where have you been? :) All well with your crew, I hope.

Alison, I would love advice from experience- that's the best kind! Did Abby have the joint stabilization surgery, too? They say there is a 50% chance he'll rupture the other soon, so that has me really freaked out. He gets along well on three legs, but I worry about the extra pressure that's putting on the good leg. I wish we could just do the surgery tomorrow and get it over, but it doesn't work like that, darn it.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on March 05, 2017, 08:13:13 AM
Thank you Sandie, Kelly, and Alison. Your words do help.

Sandie, I will definitely look at those meds. The vet said he already has arthritis, so may as well start now.

Kelly! Where have you been? :) All well with your crew, I hope.

Alison, I would love advice from experience- that's the best kind! Did Abby have the joint stabilization surgery, too? They say there is a 50% chance he'll rupture the other soon, so that has me really freaked out. He gets along well on three legs, but I worry about the extra pressure that's putting on the good leg. I wish we could just do the surgery tomorrow and get it over, but it doesn't work like that, darn it.

Well, I've been mostly on the human baby equivalent of this forum!! πŸ˜‚ Turns out I knew very little about non-Bichon babies and had a lot to learn once I started having them! My son is now 3.5 and he is amazing little guy. My daughter is 15 months old and she is a little ray of sunshine, too. My cat, Jersey, is now an 18 year old! He's had some health issues, but is thriving on his special diet and prescription meds. My special cat, Oliver, very sadly went to the Rainbow Bridge a couple years ago. Bella was fabulous until her recent allergic episode. She turned 7 this year, which I can hardly believe. Oh -and my husband is still around here somewhere! πŸ˜‚

I know I've been a deadbeat BCA-er, but I do think of you and others from this group. 😘


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 05, 2017, 06:39:39 PM
I remember the human baby forums! one thing I can say for certain at this stage of parenting (mine are 11,13, and 14) is that the effort you put in when they are very young (like yours) is definitely rewarded later on.

I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty.

Darwin actually has had some bad allergy issues lately too (he is also 7). They figure he's allergic to redwood fronds, but those are pretty hard to avoid around here.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 05, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
Abby had a lateral Suture Technique as she is small and due to her previous patella surgery. Here is a link to her orthopaedic surgeons website with lots if useful info on options. We are lucky he is local as he has written several books and teaches at Bristol Uni and lectures internationally

http://weighbridgevets.co.uk/orthopaedic-cruciate-ligament-disease/

Her patellas were done with TCT.

We were told cruciate rupture is usually due to ligament disease and one tends to follow the other. It is rare post patella surgery, but it still happened.

We had a Westie that ruptured her cruciate after jumping a low wall, pre internet research days. We were advised it would heal with rest. It did and never bothered her again.

Don’t think too far ahead and take it as it comes. Easy to say and hard to do but the only way to go .Darwin will be fine as you make sure he is.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 05, 2017, 07:52:44 PM
Thanks Alison- that's a great site. I was just looking at it. He is also scheduled for the suture stabilization. How long did Abby have to be immobile after? The vet had told me 2 weeks complete, followed by 4 weeks gradually increasing activity, but the vet tech said 4 weeks weeks+. I'm not sure who is confused.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on March 05, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
I remember the human baby forums! one thing I can say for certain at this stage of parenting (mine are 11,13, and 14) is that the effort you put in when they are very young (like yours) is definitely rewarded later on.

I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty.

Darwin actually has had some bad allergy issues lately too (he is also 7). They figure he's allergic to redwood fronds, but those are pretty hard to avoid around here.
That is promising that the early "work" is reflected as the kids get older. I am so proud of them already and I hope they stay wonderful!

Wow, it sounds like age 7 is a turning point for allergic pups! Poor itchy babies!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 06, 2017, 03:40:40 PM
Abby had "severe restrictions" for 16 weeks.This meant no running or jumping.She could walk around a small room or be in a pen.We were encouraged to walk her for slowly increasing distances ,especially uphill to prevent any muscle loss.Running and changing direction suddenly were the big things to avoid as well as jumping and stairs.

We weren't told to keep her completely immobile at any time,but we warned against keeping her completely painfree as it was protective for her to know something was wrong.

The first week she didn't want to do much,but after about 10 days she felt fine and thats when the work kicked in.

We had a pen for when we couldn't watch and at night and then gates on doors and stairs and small plastic storage boxes that we put on chairs as soon as we stood up to block them.It sounds a pain,but so much easier than stressing all the time.We don't have very large rooms so that was easier

The suture will eventually break,but the scar tissue built up will form a support for the joint so they need restrictions for long enough for that to happen,thats what we were told.



Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 07, 2017, 09:43:38 PM
Thanks Alison. I'm thinking the hardest part will be to prevent him from running, since that's how he did it in the first place- he loves to run. As much as I hate it, I think he'll have to be in a crate if he does have to be immobile the first few weeks. Otherwise, I don't think I'll be able able to prevent him from streaking off. Not licking it will also be hard. Did they use any kind of cast or splint with Abby? My husband is convinced that they should (based on people medicine) but I am under the impression that's not done with dogs.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: kjb131313 on March 07, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
It is one year today that Toby had surgery on his other leg for a torn ACL. The first tear wasn't so bad. Toby could walk but acted funny getting up. The tear last year......he couldn't and wouldn't put his leg down. The Ortho couldn't get him in for 3 weeks. So he walked and played on three legs. The second time around, they put a titanium plate in as I went through such a nightmare with the previous ACL tear. It was amazing! $2500 later.........Toby walked in about 2 weeks and never limped. He was 7 years old at the time. He is just fine but I baby him more than I should. No more dog daycare and I am so protective of him. Two luxating patellas and two torn ACLs........Not sure I will ever own a dog again. LOL!!!!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 08, 2017, 12:59:23 AM
I actually thought about Toby Wan when he did it :) I'm glad to hear that he's doing better because I remember (and now completely understand) how upset you were. I never heard of the titanium plate- is that a different type of repair? Darwin is scheduled for the lateral suture stabilization in 2 weeks. He is also bouncing around fine on 3 legs but it makes me nervous because I keep picturing the other one rupturing!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: kjb131313 on March 08, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
Toby had the lateral suture stabilization on the first torn ACL. It wasn't the best option for him. They ended up having to remove the suture a few months after as it was causing irritation and rubbing again his tendon or something like that? The Ortho said it only happens in a handful of cases each year. Just our luck. That surgery was $1,500.00. The Ortho remembered all we went through with the first surgery so he opted for the titanium plate. They usually use the titanium plate on big dogs but do make ones for small dogs. However, it is more expensive. But recovery time was quicker. The titanium plate is also more evasive. Toby couldn't go home the same day like the suture. He had to stay overnight for observation. He never limped after that operation. He doesn't limp anymore and seems to be doing just fine. He does though, stretch out his back legs, after sitting too long. Then he is off to walking and playing. If you have any questions after, feel free to reach out. I have gone through it all and still worry. The recovery period is tricky but you will both get through it. Toby sends kisses your way.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: kjb131313 on March 08, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
Also, the other worry with the titanium plate was risk of infection. Unlike the suture, if there was infection in the titanium plate after surgery, the ENTIRE surgery would have to be redone. So, I literally stayed up most nights watching Toby to make sure he didn't get his cone off and lick the suture.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 08, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Toby had the lateral suture stabilization on the first torn ACL. It wasn't the best option for him. They ended up having to remove the suture a few months after as it was causing irritation and rubbing again his tendon or something like that? The Ortho said it only happens in a handful of cases each year. Just our luck. That surgery was $1,500.00. The Ortho remembered all we went through with the first surgery so he opted for the titanium plate. They usually use the titanium plate on big dogs but do make ones for small dogs. However, it is more expensive. But recovery time was quicker. The titanium plate is also more evasive. Toby couldn't go home the same day like the suture. He had to stay overnight for observation. He never limped after that operation. He doesn't limp anymore and seems to be doing just fine. He does though, stretch out his back legs, after sitting too long. Then he is off to walking and playing. If you have any questions after, feel free to reach out. I have gone through it all and still worry. The recovery period is tricky but you will both get through it. Toby sends kisses your way.
Thanks for this. I guess I'll cross my fingers (tight) and hope the suture repair works for him. A large part of the decision was the infection risk- Darwin is a Houdini when it comes to licking wounds. He had his neuter incision raw because he licked the heck out it before they even realized he was awake from anesthesia. Any little grooming nick becomes an abscess. I know we'll still have to guard against infection with this surgery, but bone infection is a very scary thought.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 09, 2017, 10:56:16 AM
I think Sandie  said she used a playpen for Frankie. another active fluff. That might be a good idea for you too, Chris, because it will allow Darwin more freedom, and a better chance to dissipate some of his energy, than a crate.  The playpen would also be better if Darwin is unused to a crate, as I think you said.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: pam on March 09, 2017, 01:48:28 PM
Oh Chris, I have just seen this.  Sorry to hear poor Darwin has been in the wars.  Not an expert but Titch torn her cruciate (running into the sea) and had a basic repair done at the vets.  Poppy's just went - according to the vets she had very 'wobbly' joints.  Due to her age (it was a couple of years ago now) the vet would not do surgery.  It did heal and is fine now thank goodness.  She gets around well really for a 14/15 year old.
Best wishes
Pam


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 14, 2017, 01:40:09 AM
Thanks Pam. I'm finding out it's not so uncommon. His surgery is the 21st. He is still not setting it down at all, so it doesn't look like he'd be one of the lucky ones to have it heal on its own anyway.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 21, 2017, 03:37:53 PM
If anyone has a few spare positive thoughts to send our way, I'd appreciate it. My fluff baby is in the OR right now. I am trying not to be nervous, but I'm afraid my bit of PTSD (from my human baby having super risky open heart surgery at 3 months old) is kicking in. Deep breaths.....


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 21, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
Chris,

you and Darwin are in my thoughts -- I hope all goes well. It's good that he's having surgery now -- he'll be healed that much sooner!

Craig


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: susie l on March 21, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Sending positive thoughts to you and Darwin ....Hoping he will have a smooth and non-eventful recovery.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: pam on March 21, 2017, 06:00:06 PM
Fingers and toes all crossed here.  Do hope it all goes smoothly
Pam


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 21, 2017, 07:48:05 PM
I hope hes home safe and well very soon.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Freedom (Sandie) on March 22, 2017, 09:16:21 AM
Just checking in on Darwin - and Chris!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 22, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
I talked to the vet last evening and he did well. He ended up also having a cyst removed from his eyelid, which was apparently a bit tricky. He stayed overnight and comes home this afternoon. The surgeon vet is quite sure it's only a matter of time before the other side ruptures based on the X-rays. One thing at a time, I guess.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 22, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
That's good news! Good luck in keeping Darwin from being too active -- from your posts, I've always thought he is a quite energetic fluff.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: bokie on March 22, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
Get well soon Darwin!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 22, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
Once you've done it once you'll be a pro.2nd time is much easier and they only have 2 knees!! Don't even think about it yet.I'm so pleased its all over.Remember the day after is the hardest day and gets better from then on just like with people.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 22, 2017, 07:38:19 PM
speaking as a human who just had surgery, Alison is completely right: the patient gets a little bit better every day. And each day, just as Alison says, you will learn more about how to take care of your patient!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 25, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
How is Darwin doing? How are you too,its such a stressful time.Remember -every day is a day closer to end of restrictions!!!!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 27, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
Thanks for all the well wishes and kind words. He is coming along. I just had him back to the vet today and he said the incision looked 'rough', but ok. He rubs the cone against it while licking the inside. I switched him to a soft, padded cone and it helped some. Recovering from several procedures at once is a bit tough. The eye is coming along. He somehow seeped something from his rear end for several days (??) but that is better. He is starting to toe touch slightly when standing, but no walking. Hopefully he'll continue to progress.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 27, 2017, 07:37:01 PM
Poor thing.What other procedures did he have? I hope he feels comfier soon


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 27, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
Thanks Alison. He had a large cyst removed from his eyelid, which was delicate because the vet was worried he'd have to take too much of the lid and he wouldn't be able to close his eye. That's looking ok though. He also had a dental and his anal glands were 'plugged'- swollen and irritated. We've had a rough year with him for sure.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 28, 2017, 05:00:46 PM
Aw,poor baby .Sounds like he has has a lot of uncomfortable problems sorted.He has a great Summer ahead!!!!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on March 28, 2017, 06:49:19 PM
Here's the mental picture: scruffy doggy wearing a big cone, butt scooting while balancing the shaved right Franken-leg straight up in the air, all the while squinting and drooling.  :laughing: Good thing dogs live in the moment, as the vet reminded me.  :tongue2:   :crazy:


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on March 29, 2017, 03:23:45 PM
Honestly, as soon as restrictions lift all is forgotten. It amazed me Abby totally reverted to her previous self all 3 times as if nothing had happened.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on March 30, 2017, 05:39:37 PM
Chris, I'm sure it must be very difficult, if not impossible, to bathe and groom Darwin -- and that's probably the least of your concerns! But all this will pass for Darwin -- and for you! Don't be discouraged! Best of luck!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Freedom (Sandie) on March 31, 2017, 11:03:42 AM
Here's the mental picture: scruffy doggy wearing a big cone, butt scooting while balancing the shaved right Franken-leg straight up in the air, all the while squinting and drooling.  :laughing: Good thing dogs live in the moment, as the vet reminded me.  :tongue2:   :crazy:

Oh my what an image, Chris!   LOL poor boy, and poor you.  Everything sounds like it is on the mend, he is recovering.  That is what matters most.  Hang in there!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on April 12, 2017, 10:37:05 AM
Just a quick update to say that Darwin is doing quite well. He's healing nicely and starting to put weight on the leg, so we're happy- so far so good! Thanks everyone for all the advice and support!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on April 12, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
Chris, I'm sure I speak for everyone in being so happy for you and Darwin! I hope his recovery continues to go well!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on April 16, 2017, 09:08:50 AM
Go, Darwin, Go!! That's great news!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on April 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Great news,well done


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 15, 2017, 12:11:58 AM
And now he's picking up the left leg. Ugh. And the right isn't really strong enough to support him so he falls. He is somehow managing, but I really hope it's an arthritis flaire and not a ruptured tendon. I gave him metacam and trying to have him rest, but we'll see. I could cry.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 15, 2017, 08:37:09 AM
Poor baby! I'm sorry to read this update!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Freedom (Sandie) on May 15, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Fingers - and paws - crossed this is just a passing issue.



Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 15, 2017, 05:16:45 PM
Thanks Kelly and Sandie. The only encouaragng sign is that today he has is touching it down and scooting with it instead of holding it tucked up (which would make him fall because the right isn't strong enough for that). Hopefully it will continue to improve.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on May 16, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
Poor thing.Has he seen the vet ?I hope it all settles soon


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: bokie on May 16, 2017, 07:26:21 PM
argh poor baby, hope for the best!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 16, 2017, 07:38:30 PM
He's worse today, holding it up. Frustrating.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 17, 2017, 02:31:26 PM
He's worse today, holding it up. Frustrating.
What does the vet say? I hope it's just a temporary strain.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on May 17, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
I'd get the vet to check it .Something might just need a little adjustment.They warned me it can happen sometimes


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 17, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
I haven't taken him to the vet because I know he'll want to sedate him again to check him, then will say surgery. I just want to hold off and see what happens. I don't think he can handle 100% walking on the right yet and that's what he would be forced to do if he had surgery right now. It's just a mess.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: southjerseycraig on May 17, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
Chris,  you seem sure the vet is going to want to do surgery. Is that a foregone conclusion?  Couldn't Darwin's difficulty just be a temporary effect caused by one leg's need to compensate for the other? And if surgery is necessary, wouldn't you want to know now rather than later? Certainly you won't want to do the next surgery until Darwin has recovered from this surgery, but at least you'll know what's next.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 17, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
I haven't taken him to the vet because I know he'll want to sedate him again to check him, then will say surgery. I just want to hold off and see what happens. I don't think he can handle 100% walking on the right yet and that's what he would be forced to do if he had surgery right now. It's just a mess.
I feel so sorry for him and you. I hope he is resting and improves on his own.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on May 25, 2017, 05:33:06 PM
Sometimes things twist a little and an adjustment can sort it out.The decision would be yours in the end.It would be worth checking it out and maybe having an x ray just to know your options.It would be a shame to undo all the healing a few weeks down the line.

I hope its better soon


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 26, 2017, 01:19:05 AM
Thank you. He's actually holding up the other (non-surgical) leg. The vet said there was a good chance it would rupture as well, but I didn't think it would happen so soon. Anyway, he has an appointment with the vet/ surgeon next Wednesday. He's difficult to get an appointment with. He's still not holding it up as severely as he did the other before surgery, and will walk slowly on it, but it's definitely not a good situation and not getting any better. I'll update when I know more.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 26, 2017, 03:12:20 PM
Thank you. He's actually holding up the other (non-surgical) leg. The vet said there was a good chance it would rupture as well, but I didn't think it would happen so soon. Anyway, he has an appointment with the vet/ surgeon next Wednesday. He's difficult to get an appointment with. He's still not holding it up as severely as he did the other before surgery, and will walk slowly on it, but it's definitely not a good situation and not getting any better. I'll update when I know more.

Sad to hear he hasn't improved any. While you wait for your appointment, you could try soaking him in an abdomen-deep Epsom Salt bath. It really soothed and relaxed Bella. Plus being in water takes some pressure off the legs.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 26, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
Thanks, Kelly. We were actually wishing that we had a swimming pool so he could exercise a bit since he can't go for walks. I will try the bath though.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 26, 2017, 03:31:48 PM
Thanks, Kelly. We were actually wishing that we had a swimming pool so he could exercise a bit since he can't go for walks. I will try the bath though.
Would he swim? Maybe you could make a deep bath in your tub and let him paddle in place. Or even one of those cheap plastic kiddie pools.



Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 26, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
What about one of these?

 Intex Swim Center Clearview Aquarium Inflatable Pool, 62.5" X 62.5" X 19.5", for Ages 3+ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VSAF2O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_puhkzb0AADQGR


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 26, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
That's cute. I was looking at kiddie pools in Target yesterday but they were so shallow he could stand up in them. This one looks deeper though- I'll have to get my tape measure out and size Darwin up!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on May 26, 2017, 03:43:32 PM
That's cute. I was looking at kiddie pools in Target yesterday but they were so shallow he could stand up in them. This one looks deeper though- I'll have to get my tape measure out and size Darwin up!
Even if he could touch the bottom, he could walk around in the water for low pressure exercise as long as he was mostly submerged.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 31, 2017, 01:08:18 PM
Vet appointment today shows left knee torn surgery Tuesday.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: pam on May 31, 2017, 03:24:50 PM
Honestly Chris!  Just catching up as we have been away.  I am so sorry to hear this - poor Darwin and poor you.  He doesn't have a lot of luck the little one.  You are both in our thoughts and prayers.  Hope all goes well and fingers crossed for a speedy recovery after Tuesday.
Pam


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Post by: southjerseycraig on May 31, 2017, 04:29:17 PM
Chris, I was hoping it was just a strain caused by the need to make up for the leg already operated on. Too bad it's another rupture! The vet must think that the leg already operated on is strong enough to support Darwin as he recovers from the new surgery --  hope he's right!!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on May 31, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
Thabks Pam and Craig. The vet is worried that if he has to rely on the first leg too much he'll worsen that, so wants to fix the left and just not have him walk much at all until it's better. It's rotten.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on June 01, 2017, 04:44:40 PM
Thabks Pam and Craig. The vet is worried that if he has to rely on the first leg too much he'll worsen that, so wants to fix the left and just not have him walk much at all until it's better. It's rotten.
Poor baby! Poor you, too. I can't even imagine having to go through all that, and twice in a row! I hope he will really take it easy so both legs can heal at the same time and he can finally start to move on from all this!


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Post by: southjerseycraig on June 01, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but how exactly are you supposed to minimize Darwin's walking? I can imagine that you won't take him on walks or let him outside very much, but how else do you do it? And how cooperative will Darwin be with not being able to work off energy? (Darwin has always struck me as a very active fluff, even by bichon standards.) Or does the vet think that the recovery process will be sufficiently uncomfortable that Darwin simply won't want to walk? I feel sorry both for you and for Darwin!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on June 01, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
A little down the road after his surgery, when he's up for it, maybe you could try to give him some new mental exercise to keep him busy. Using their brains in a new or challenging way can help tucker out a pup without a lot of physical exercise.

There are lots of treat hiding puzzles on Amazon and I've seen them in a few pet stores. You could create your own creative challenges like hiding a treat in a big box full of gift tissue, you could do scent work, hide a treat under one of three cups and switch them around, etc. I guess the hard part would be balancing the extra treats with the diminished physical exercise. Maybe you could have him "work" for his dinner with a puzzle if he's an enthusiastic eater. Just some ideas for things he could do to pass the recovery time.


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Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on June 01, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
We use a playpen, crates, etc to keep him from walking at the beginnng. When he is cleared to do a bit more, we let him be in certain rooms with gates/ door closed. No stairs. We still have a baby gate at the tol of the stairs, so can have him be up there with less worry. The anti-inflammatories and pain meds help, too. With the last surgery, he just held it up and relied on the other but that's what we need to avoid this time. Should be fun.


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Post by: Alison on June 06, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
Aw,I'm sorry he has to have more surgery.I used those Treat puzzles that Kelly mentioned and found them useful.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on June 06, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
He had his second knee done today, and it went well. He has to stay overnight. Hoping his recovery goes well. Poor little guy.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on June 07, 2017, 06:13:54 AM
Good luck for the easiest recovery possible! Hugs!


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on June 09, 2017, 12:41:56 PM
Darwin is plugging along, as well as can be expected. I think because he only had the one procedure this time, and because we all learned from the last time, it seems much smoother this time. His vet is pleased, so fingers crossed that it all stays as it has. Thanks so much for all the positive wishes and support. It really does mean alot.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: BellasMommy (Kelly) on June 10, 2017, 07:25:52 AM
Sounds like the worst of it is finally behind you! I'm glad things are looking up.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: Alison on June 20, 2017, 04:05:18 PM
Good news and thank goodness they only have 2 knees!!! I hope its an easier recovery this time.Abby found her 2nd knee easier as her first was stronger than before surgery,and like you ,we had found ways to make it easier.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on June 22, 2017, 10:58:53 AM
Thanks Kelly and Alison. He continues to do well. Stitches were removed yesterday and he's allowed to start short walks. The truth is he has already walked on it around the house, which I told the vet, and he said was fine. He thought it was actually a good sign because little dogs often have be coaxed to use it. So long as we stay this course, it looks good. Yes, I'm so glad they have only 2 knees!! 


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: pam on June 24, 2017, 01:42:34 PM
Glad to hear Darwin is making good progress.  Onward an upwards as they say.
Pam


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Post by: EDDEL on July 03, 2017, 11:23:03 AM
Chris, sorry to hear read about Darwin's ruptured cruciate ligament.  Poor boy!  What a rough time you've both had.  The only comforting words I can offer (now, sorry this is so late), is that things can only get better from here on.  I hope Darwin is recovering well.  Bianca & I send well wishes and lots of Bichon hugs & kisses all the way from Singapore.


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Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on July 03, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
Thanks, Del and Pam! He is actually doing quite well, due in no small part to a talented and experienced vet surgeon. It was rotten that it happened, but at least we're on the better side of it. :)

Del, I was just thinking about you because I can't remember if I sent you a Christmas card or not (good to think of this in July, eh?- sorry, it's been a rough year). If I didn't, please let me know.


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: EDDEL on July 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Hi Chris, it's lovely to be thought of.  I will send you a private message :original:

So happy to hear Darwin is doing quite well. 

:fluffgetwellB:



Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: EDDEL on July 27, 2017, 02:10:48 AM
Hi Chris, how is Darwin :fluff: ?  :blush:


Title: Re: Darwin update- bad news
Post by: darwinsmom (Chris) on August 01, 2017, 05:05:36 PM
Thanks Del. He's doing pretty well. Still a bit slow to get up and has trouble runners , but overall we're happy. I guess it takes about 6 months to develop scar tissue around the stitches so fingers crossed that he stays the course.