KIBBLE GRADING SYSTEM:: requests & questions

[EDDEL]

This thread is for members to request for brands/varieties of kibble to be graded, and any other questions they might have for kibble they're considering (to feed their fluffs ).

"GRADES" of brands/varieties that has already been calculated, can be viewed here in this thread.

[natalie]

I thought we had already graded Royal Canin Mini Adult, but I can't find it

Maybe I just did it myself at home or something

In any case, perhaps that would be a good candidate to get us going

[lainey]

Hi there

I was at the vet ( the bald one, not the  one   ) with Mitsy for a check up on Saturday and she is 8lbs in weight & 25 weeks old.

The vet asked me to start moving her from puppy  to junior dog food. 

I feed her "James Wellbeloved" - http://www.wellbeloved.com 

It is made by one of the few companies in the UK that don't test on animals.

Royal Canin, Purina & Iams all do and it's a personal decision that I just won't give them my money no matter how good they claim to be 

She likes all the flavours but the White Fish is her favourite and it is the White Fish Junior Performance I have bought to start moving her to gradually.


Here we go...................

Ocean White Fish & Rice Kibble
Complete dog food

A hypo-allergenic dog food, beneficial for dogs with particular nutritional intolerances, and also a healthy tasty natural diet.

INGREDIENTS AND ANALYSIS

Junior/Performance

Ingredients: Rice, Ocean White Fish Meal, Barley, Potato Protein, Whole Linseed, Olive Oil, Vegetable Gravy, Peas, Fish Oil, Alfalfa, Natural Seaweed, Sodium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, D,L-methionine, Lysine Hydrochloride, Threonine, Zinc Methionate.

Contains: Min. 23% Fish, Min 28% Rice, Min 10% Barley

Typical Analysis: Protein 24%, Oil 10%, Fibre 3.5%, Ash 8%.
 

  Del if you can find some time to rate this for me 

Lainey & Mitsy  [/font]

[EDDEL]

ladies, I will grade ROYAL CANIN and JAMES WELLBELOVED for you both (later ).

[chui888]

Del... would you help me to grade about Castor & Pollux Organix Puppy Formula, here are the ingredients -

Organic Chicken, Chicken Meal, Organic Peas, Organic Extruded Soybean Seeds, Organic Barley, Organic Brown Rice, Chicken Fat preserved with mixed Tochopherols (form of Vitamin E), Dicalcium Phosphate, Natural Chicken Liver Flavor, Salmon Meal, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Dried Whole Egg, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Minerals [Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Proteinate, Calcium Iodate], Choline Chloride, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Phosphate (source of Vitamin C), Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Mononitrate, Vitamin D3 Supplement], Yeast Culture (Saccharomyces Cerevisiae), Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentatiion Extract, Dried Trichoderma Longibrachiatum Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract and Fermentation Solubles, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate.

Since it said organic, but I dont' see any meat, besides the chicken and the chicken meal....... I really need help!!!

[EDDEL]

I didn't see your post earlier Charing.  I will grade Castor & Pollux Organix Puppy Formula (although I think it might have been graded before... I'll check ) for you.

[lainey]

Del daaaahling, I have moved wee Mitsy onto Burns food.

Mars have bought James WellBeloved and they test on animals  and apparantly no longer use quality ingredients.

  for your help 

Lainey & Mitsy 


Here are the ingredients.......

Food ingredients
Whole grain brown rice, ocean fish meal, peas, oats, chicken fat, sunflower oil, seaweed

Vitamins and Minerals
Calcium Carbonate, Niacin supplement, dl – alpha tocopharyl acetate(Vitamin E supplement) D – Calcium pantotthenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavine Supplement, Vitamin D Supplement, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, D – Biotin, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Chloride

Analysis:
Crude Protein - Min. 18.5%; Crude fat - Min. 7.5%;
Crude Fiber - 2.2%; Moisture - Max. 9.0%; Ash - 7%

Analysis per 100g:Vitamin A 8800 iu/kg; Vitamin D3 800 iu/kg; Vitamin E 88 mg/kg;
Vitamin B12 50 mg/kg; Copper 10 mg/kg; Sodium 0.4%;
Linoleic Acid 1.2%; Calcium 1.2%; Phosphorous 0.8%;
Magnesium 0.1%; Potassium 0.6%; Chloride 0.5%; Sulphur 0.15%

[Carol]

Ozzie  has been thriving on Performatrin Ultra Adult, Hormon-free Lamb and Brown Rice Formula Dog Food for the past year. www.performatrinultra.com
Using the grading system here, I have scored it
101 points, which would be A 
Is there somewhere that I can post the ingredients and scoring details?

[EDDEL]

Lainey, I've graded BURNS for you ( for the reminder ).

I found BURNS website, and saw that the ingredients list (on their website) has no chicken fat, whereas yours (ie. your post) has. Not that it matters .  If chicken fat (is listed as an ingredient on your kibble packet and) is taken into account, the score will be 100 .

And while theres's no dairy products, wheat, soya or beef in all their formulas (ingredients which may cause some food allergies according to their website), note that brown rice makes up three-fifths of the bag, while fish is only one-fifth (the only meat protein in there) .  Again, not that it's bad or matters a whole lot .... just know that Mitsy is consuming more rice than fish, with each mouthful/serving.  It's ideal when the 1st (& 2nd) ingredient(s) are meats... but then again, a lot of manufacturers have 2 or more grains in the formula (eg: brown rice, rice, oats) which in turn may add up to more than the 1st listed meat ingredient.  You get what I'm saying .

[EDDEL]

Carol, the place/thread where scores are kept is here.

I looked at the Lamb & Brown Rice formula and must say the ingredients list really looks impressive .  I graded it and got a score of 109 (different from yours... not that it matters ).

Note: Everything after Brewers Dried Yeast are vitamins & minerals, and have no 'impact' (so to speak) on the score.  All manufacturers add these (usually same) vitamins & minerals because most (if not all) vitamins & minerals are "lost" during the extrusion process (ie. during the 'manufacture' of the kibble).

[Carol]

Thank you, Del!  You rock.
As I look over the list you used (from their website, I presume?), and compare it to the bag, they are identical. I think where I missed points is that on your list the probiotic ingredients are indicated, and on the bag there is no indication. (and I don't know what is probiotic and what isn't  ) That's 3 points anyway.  In any case, Ozzie loves his kibble 

[lainey]

.................note that brown rice makes up three-fifths of the bag, while fish is only one-fifth (the only meat protein in there) .  Again, not that it's bad or matters a whole lot .... just know that Mitsy is consuming more rice than fish, with each mouthful/serving.  It's ideal when the 1st (& 2nd) ingredient(s) are meats... but then again, a lot of manufacturers have 2 or more grains in the formula (eg: brown rice, rice, oats) which in turn may add up to more than the 1st listed meat ingredient.  You get what I'm saying .

Del, I actually asked my vet about this at the weekend and as I give Mitsy a steak or salmon twice a week he thought it was a good thing and balances out well. She had Venison for the first time on Sunday 

  for helping us out. I think Burns is the best UK option but if anyone knows differently, please let me know.

Lainey & Mitsy 

[kfz323]

I have been giving Cassie the wet Merrick food at night, and now want to try the dry food I have listed the ingredients if anyone can help me to rate it
Did I say how much I love this site!!!
Merrick Cowboy Cookout

Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein (Not Less Than) 22.0% Crude Fat (Not Less Than) 14.0% Crude Fiber (Not More Than) 3.5% Moisture (Not More Than) 10.0%

Calorie Content: 3594 kcal/kg - One pound provides 1633 kcal of metabolizable energy, calculated value. (Caloric content calculated using Modified Atwater Method)

Ingredients: Beef, Oatmeal, Barley, Beef Meal, Whole Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols – a source of Natural Vitamin E and Ascorbic Acid, a source of Vitamin C), Flaxseed, Potatoes, Carrots, Peas, Dried Chicken Liver, Whole Apples, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Lysine, Guar Gum, Salt, Choline Chloride, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Whole Blueberries, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Whole Clove Garlic, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dried Beef Broth, Chicory Root, Marigold Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterocococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Natural Celery Flavor, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Natural Caramel Color, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Amino Acid Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.

Cowboy Cookout is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Dog Food nutrient profiles for all life stag
 

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I checked and it graded 105 which is good an A. Their web site says no artificial colors or flavors. It doesn't mention it being organic, or baked or having probiotics and it still rated well.

[kfz323]

Thank you soooooo much!!!!   Besides the kibble can you rate the wet food????

[LunasMum (Traci)]

The grading system I use (and the one posted on this forum) is for Kibble only. Not sure if there is a grading system for wet/canned food.

I just look at the ingredients and make sure theres no no-no's, Here's a list of what things makes me put it back on the shelf: corn, wheat, by product, poulrty fat, artificial colors or flavors, BHA or BHT, or if the rice/barley/oats is put in the first 5 ingredients more than once. I.e. rice, rice meal, brown rice, that says your fluff is eating mostly rice.

I only use a tablespoon of wet with Luna's dry kibble. It helps the Angel eyes stick and the vet said if she had been a stray for long before we got her, she might be use to more... um.. fragrant food then I was using. (She didn't eat well at first).
I wouldn't use only wet food because I believe they need hard kibble/bone/something in order to keep their teeth healthy. That's IMO, so take it as such.

[EDDEL]

Del, I actually asked my vet about this at the weekend and as I give Mitsy a steak or salmon twice a week he thought it was a good thing and balances out well.

That's wonderful , Lainey.  A balanced nutritious diet is what's most important .  As Bianca would say (about Mitsy's consumption of steak & salmon), variety is the spice of life!

I think where I missed points is that on your list the probiotic ingredients are indicated, and on the bag there is no indication. (and I don't know what is probiotic and what isn't  )

Carol, the name I recognize for sure is "Lactobacillus Acidophilus" because that's what I look for (specifically live cultures) when I buy yogurt for Bianca.  It's wonderful that Ozzie is thriving on this quality kibble .

I checked and it graded 105 which is good an A. Their web site says no artificial colors or flavors. It doesn't mention it being organic, or baked or having probiotics and it still rated well.

Traci.  Would you be so kind as to post the 'results' on the Kibble Grading System scores thread.  Just follow the format I have in that thread.... anyone can post 'scores' in there too.  We'll keep discussion posts here in this thread, so that thread will only have scores, and can be perused easily.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Traci.  Would you be so kind  as to post the 'results' on the Kibble Grading System scores thread.

I did that and realized I missed the "Lactobacillus Acidophilus" which would give Merrick Cowboy Cookout an extra 3 points for a score of 108.

[mdias]

Can someone help me grade this food?
http://www.healthypetnet.com/HealthyPetNet/Products/LifesAbundance/LifesAbundanceDogIngredients.aspx?realname=40005278&Ath=False&hdr=&cat=0

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Ok here goes..

Life’s Abundance Premium Health Food for Dogs

INGREDIENTS:
Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oat Groats, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Brewers Dried Yeast, Flaxseed Meal, Natural Flavors, Dried Egg Product, Catfish Meal, Potassium Chloride, Salt, L-Lysine, Canola Oil, DL-Methionine, Calcium Carbonate, Monosodium Phosphate, Dried Carrots, Dried Celery, Dried Beets, Dried Parsley, Dried Lettuce, Dried Watercress, Dried Blueberries, Dried Broccoli, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Pomegranate Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin E Supplement, Inositol, Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Citric Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Selenium Yeast, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide.

Contains a source of live (viable), naturally-occurring microorganisms.


-2    If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
-1    If it contains salt, subtract 1 point
+3   If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
+3   If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
+3   If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
+1   If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
+1   For every different specific animal protein source (other than the 1st one; count "chicken"  and "chicken meal" as only one protein source), add 1 point

It doesn't say anything on the site about organic, or being pesticide free. I tink it might be baked which would add another 5 points but the wording doesn't come right out and say so, so it might not be.

Total 108

[mdias]

 
So it looks to be a pretty good food then!

[Lucys Mom]

Could someone please rate Royal Canin puppy kibble, also Medi-Cal, which we can only buy from the vets office. 
Margaret.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Could someone please rate Royal Canin puppy kibble, also Medi-Cal, which we can only buy from the vets office. 
Margaret.

Medi Cal Dry - Development Formula (Puppy formula)
Score of 85

Royal Canin Digest & Skin Puppy (it's the only puppy formula I could find on their site)
Score 88

see breakdown in this topic

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Luna has been eating Nutro Ultra Small Breed formula score 92.

Petsmart just started carring a new brand that I'm going to switch to called by Nature.

The puppy food (for Pippin) scores 108 and the Salmon, Oceanfish and Yogurt flavor scores 111.

They also have wet food (which I mix a bit in with their kibble) that is 95% meat (chicken, turkey, beef, which ever one you are buying not nonspecific meat source)

[Lucys Mom]

Thank you for the rating on Royal Canin and Medi Cal, not happy that I have fed them both to my little Lucy,   going to read all the threads for a better choice in food for her.
Margaret.

[chui888]

Since Mochi needs to change the kibble from puppy to adult, we are thinking about the Natural Balance Ultra Premium Dog Food, can someone help to grade it -

INGREDIENT LISTING
Chicken, Brown Rice, Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Barley, Duck Meal, Potatoes, Carrots, Chicken Fat (preserved with natural mixed tocopherols), Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavor, Canola Oil, Brewers Yeast, Salmon Meal, Salmon Oil, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Spinach, Parsley Flakes, Cranberries, L-Lysine, L-Carnitine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

THANKS..... the first 5 ingredient seems good .. but well I hope i can get more help for grading... 

[samba]

Mojo still gets his Solid Gold Hunden Flocken mixed with Solid Gold wet food.  I use one can a week for mixing.  That ay I can vary the tastes.  Anyway he scarfs it down as long as I don't try to load or unload the dishwasher, that is.   

I am glad that there is so much interest in good diets on this site.  I have learned so much, thanks to you all  .  Samba

[dfine1966]

Need help rating a couple of brands I couldn't find.

Blue Buffalo Puppy Chicken & Brown Rice

Here is the link to recipe:  http://www.bluebuff.com/products/dogs/lp-puppy-chick.shtml

Only saw review on for BB Chicken & Brown Rice, no Puppy formula


Here is a new brand that the people at All Pets Club were recommending.  Never had heard of it. 

Dogswell Vitality Chicken & Oats (not sure if this is for puppy or adult dog, but person recommended for puppy)

Here is the link:  http://www.dogswell.com/?title=126

Also Dogswell Happy Hips Chicken & Oats (not sure if for puppy or adult dog either)

Here is the link:  http://www.dogswell.com/?title=125

[Annie36]

I feed Jake Nutro Ultro Holistic diet adult.......It isa an A food but I want him on something that is holistic as well as good for him....any ideas????

[stikkio]

Hi im using this at the minute but she doesnt seem to like it:    Pedigree Puppy Complete
Quality Ingredients:, Cereals (min. 14% Rice, min. 4% Maize), Meat and Animal Derivatives (min. 4% Chicken in the Brown Kibble), Oils and Fats (min. 0.6% Fish Oil), Vegetable Protein Extracts, Derivatives of Vegetable Origin (min. 4% Dried Beet Pulp), Minerals

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Hi Vicky, Sorry I haven't been in meet and greet to say hi yet, life can get busy.

I rated Pedigree Puppy Complete, it rates 49  .

No wonder Lexi doesn't like it. Smart fluff) I had to subtract points for every for everything except 11, 12 & 14. (did you see the rating system at the beginnning of this thread?) And was unable to add points back for extra good stuff.

Now I don't want to seem judgemental  Cause I'd sooner feed my fluffs this than give them up, but if you can afford a little better, bet Lexi would love it. There are really expensive brands that don't rate much better. I found there are plenty of brands that rate around 100 or above that are cost effective, you don't have to feed as much.

For example the Pedigree says to feed a ten pound pup 2-4 cups per day. By Select says 1/4 to 2/3 cup per day, and beforeBGgrains says 1/2 to 1&1/2 cups per day. So the food costs more but because the nutritous quality is there you feed less and break even cost wise. And your fluff will reap the health benifits.

[stikkio]

yeah ive been looking at the list of everything you rated and tried to find the stuff over here then to try her on.
Thank you Lunasmum!!!

[teddybear]

Could someone do the James Wellbeloved for me? someone asked on the first page but I can't see that it was done anywhere...........my two eat the lamb and rice adult variety.

http://www.wellbeloved.com/products/dog/lamb__rice_kibble.aspx

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I rated that (James Wellness Beloved) for you Here

It rates a 94 unless your fluff has allergies to other meats than lamb. If you are using lamb as a single source protien due to allergies it rates a 96.

[teddybear]

Thank you! 

[Luana]

Friends of ours told me they were feeding their dog Kibbles & Bits.  I said I didn't think it was a very good dog food.  I went to the web site and found the original has these ingredients.  Looks pretty bad to me. If someone has the time, could you grade it for me?

THanks so much, Luana

Ingredients
corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, ground wheat flour, animal fat (bha used as preservative), corn syrup, wheat middlings, water sufficient for processing, animal digest (source of chicken flavor), propylene glycol, salt, hydrochloric acid, potassium chloride, caramel color, sorbic acid (used as a preservative), sodium carbonate, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), choline chloride, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin A supplement, niacin supplement, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), calcium sulfate, titanium dioxide, yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, BHA (used as a preservative), dl methionine.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Kibbles & Bits rated Here

Score 26 (unless you know your fluff is not allergic to beef and wheat, then the score is 29)

I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to feed your dog Cheeto's

[SuperMax (Susan)]

Kibbles & Bits rated Here

Score 26 (unless you know your fluff is not allergic to beef and wheat, then the score is 29)

I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to feed your dog Cheeto's

... Max sure wouldn't mind! ... come to think of it... neither would Parker!

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I thought of it cause Luna and Pippin go crazy for the smell of it when ever we have a bag, which of course the little kids always pick out when they have a say!

Hey fake cheese, fake meat, they both have fake protien.

[Luana]

Thank you, Luna's mom.  I came up with 51 and that was bad enough.  I wonder what you counted that I didn't.  Do we take off twice for BHA as it is on the list twice?  And do we take off for each color rather than once because it has color?

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I took off 30 points (10 each) for the non specific animal sources, that was a whooper. But if you want to see the breakdown for each thing, you can follow the above link or go to KIBBLE GRADING SYSTEM :: list of foods graded reply #23.

[Luana]

Thank you.  I did do the 30 points for the non specific animal souces.  I'll check out #23.

[stikkio]

I told my friend about this and she feeds her beagle and jack russell on wagg and she suggested it to us to use on Lexi but because i couldnt find it on here would you be able to rate it?

Wagg Complete Puppy Food contains Wheat, Chicken Meat Meal, Meat Meal, Wheatfeed, Oils & Fats, Maize Gluten, Vitamins & Minerals, Linseed, Maize, Peas, Beet Pulp, Lucerne. Added Citrus, Yeast and Yucca. With Antioxidant and Preserved with: EC Additive

They have got a sensitive one as well as a range of normal ones dont know if that makes a difference.

Wagg Complete Sensitive Dog Food contains Maize, Rice (min 4%), Porridge Oats, Chicken Meat Meal (min 4%), Meat Meal, Oils & Fats, Beet Pulp, Linseed, Vitamins & Minerals. Added Citrus, Yeast & Yucca. With Antioxidant: EC additive.

and then theres:
Wagg Complete Premium Dog Food contains Wheat, Meat Meal, Wheatfeed, Maize, Chicken Meat Meal (min 4% in Chicken Kibble), Carrot & Rice (min 20% in Carrot/Rice Disc), Oils & Fats, Linseed, Beet Pulp, Peas (min 4% in Pea Kibble), Lucerne, Vitamins & Minerals. Added Citrus, Yeast & Yucca. With Antioxidant and Preserved with: EC additives.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I can proably rate these for you this afternoon, but I can tell already by the list of ingredients, it won't rate well. There'll be subtractions for the wheat and corn, non specific fats, nonspecfic meats and only one bonus for the two formulas that have peas. I'll be back to do it later.

[teddybear]

I don't think Wagg is considered a very good food over here at all.

[stikkio]

oh alright lol i know to avoid that one then lol thank you

[dfine1966]

Can I put in a request to rate certain puppy and dog foods that are good for puppy's and dogs with allergies.  I know my Sophie is having problems with itching and biting tail and sucking her paws and licking her privates.  It looks like allergies from the food, possibly too much grains or chicken or anything else.  We were feeding her Innova Puppy Chicken.  We changed her to California Natural Puppy Lamb Meal and Rice and she has gotten a little better, but her poop has been getter harder and tougher coming out.  We have been changing her slowly over the last week and a half.

Could you rate some brands that are great for allergies.  I am looking for Puppy food right now.  Sophie is almost 6 months old.  I know finding what she is allergic too is a long process, but I want to make sure she is getting the best.

Thanks

[stikkio]

Hi ive recently put Lexi on this as she has had some problems and was wondering what is was rated as its Wainwrights Puppy Food


Ingredients:

Fresh Turkey (Min. 65%), Turkey Liver (Min. 5%), Brown Rice (Min. 5%), Minerals, Vitamins, Seaweed, Chicory Root. With Antioxidant EC Additives.
Typical Analysis:

Moisture 75.2%, Protein 11.7%, Oils and Fats 7%, Fibre 5.4%, Ash 2.8%, Calcium 0.51%, Phosphorus 0.42%, Vitamin A 1500iu/kg, Vitamin D3 150iu/kg, Vitamin E (a-tocopherol) 25iu/kg. Vitamin declaration is valid until best before date printed with batch number on side of pack.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Could you rate some brands that are great for allergies. 

I will if you can give me a couple of brands you are looking at. There are so many different foods, and it depends on where you live which ones are available. It would be a shot in the dark to randomly rate some. The other thing I can do is email you a nice chart I have in Word. I took it to the stores with me, took a pen and checked things off in the column (the name of the food at the head of each column). When I got home I did the math. After awhile you get so you can look at the ingredient list and have a general idea on how it rates.  Let me know if you'd like the chart or if you have any brands in mind to be rated.

Vicky, that seems like a short list of ingridients. When I googled it I found Wainwright's Complete Puppy Food with Turkey & Rice
Ingredients:
Turkey Meat Meal, Rice, Whole Grain Barley, Potato Protein, Refined Poultry Oil, Whole Linseed, Sugar Beet Pulp, Natural Seaweed, Low Allergen Poultry Digest As Gravy, Alfalfa, Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Methionine, Marigold Extract, Yucca Extract, L-Carnitine, Rosemary Extract. Contains Tocopherol Rich Extracts Of Natural Origin Vitamin E and Vitamin C As EC Permitted Antioxidant, No Added Colourants, Flavourings Or Preservatives. .

If that's right I'll go ahead and rate it for you. The link to the food is Right Here . That way you can look and see if we are talking about the same food.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Wainwright's Complete Puppy Food with Turkey & Rice

Rated 79. See Here post reply #24.    

I tried to find a home page for the company to see if I could add any points for it being baked, not extruded or for pesticide free, hormone free. Couldn't find that info. So the only bonus points it recived is for having barley. I put () around an ingredient that it contains so you's know which I was marking off for.

[teddybear]

Wainwrights are "Pets At Home" own brand.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Wainwrights are "Pets At Home" own brand.

I found that (although it took me a minute to figure out) but couldn't find info on how they process or cook thier foods. Do you know where I could find that info?

[stikkio]

i didnt know it was pets at home own brand -sorry it looks the same but the one shes on now is not a dry biscuit food ive added the web address underneath, she seems to love it and the reason we got it was hypoallergenic low allergen no wheat no gluten etc because her tummy was so sensitive.

http://www.petsathome.com/find/category-is-2+dog/category-is-2f+food/category-is-2f03+wet+foods/brand-is-wainwrights/product-is-23734

[LunasMum (Traci)]

The grading system we use works for dry kibble only. But it's been my experience that the wet of the same brand is about as healthy as the kibble of that brand.

I use dry kibble and add stuff. Sometimes it's left over scrambled egg, or raw chicken, green beans or carrots. Sometimes when I do't have anyting healthy for the fluffs (like the leftovers are full of onion) I use a little canned food heated up and mixed in to make it yummy.

Feeding just wet is ok for short periods of time, but after a while their teeth can become bad. Maybe that's why we don't rate the wet stuff?

[stikkio]

really i didnt know that ill have to tell matt we need to pick up some of the dry for her and start weaning her on it. Im just glad her belly seems to be back to normal now. so we can start mixing the dry and wet or something in a few days

[stikkio]

Hi ive just found this harringtons dog food and there isnt one for puppy it says its suitable for puppies over 8 weeks and up not sure if its any good

    


Ingredients

Our ingredients are set out on the packaging of the product and are both clear and unambiguous:

• Lamb Meat Meal (min 26%)
• Maize
• Rice (min 20%)
• Barley
• Fat
• Beet Pulp (min 4%)
• Digest
• Linseed
• Vitamins & Minerals
• With Kelp, Citrus, Yeast & Yucca
• Tocopherol rich extracts of
   natural origin

http://www.harringtonsdogfood.co.uk/lamb-ingredients.aspx

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Harringtons Lamb & Rice

Score of 82

[stikkio]

Thanks Traci Im going to have to find out where they sell Burns food around here.

[Princess Lucy Loulou (Tina)]

Hi Del  :wave:Just got a new bag of Lucy & Boo's food delivered today  and just wondered  if when youve got a minuet, if you wouldnt mind grading it for me 

Burns Mini Bites -devloped by a veterinary surgeon.

Contains Brown Rice, Chicken Meat Meal, Oats, Peas, Sunflower Oil, Chicken Oil, Fishmeal, Seaweed, Minerals & Vitamins.


Protien       21.0%                      Copper        15mg/kg           
Oil              11.0%                      Sodium        0.52%
Fibre           2.0%                       Calcium        1.45%
Moisture     7.0%                        Phosphorus  0.90%
Ash             8.0%                       Magnesium   0.10%
Vitamin A    10000 iu/kg             Potassium     0.32%
Vitamin D3  1500 iu/kg               Chloride        0.20%
Vitamin  E    80 iu/kg                  Sulphur          0.15%

Contains no Wheat or Soya, Controlled Protien and Fat. No Genetically Modified Ingrediants. Tha holistic food.
 

[stikkio]

We were looking at burns mini bites to start lexi on but settled on James Wellbeloved for the moment.

[EDDEL]

Tina, I've graded BURNS Mini Bites formula for you.  You can see how it was scored here and how it fares compared to other brands/formulas here.

I also wanna send a special shout-out to Traci for having graded so many brands/formulas for our members.

[LunasMum (Traci)]

 

[Princess Lucy Loulou (Tina)]

  Thanks Del and Traci, that's a good score  I'm so glad cos it's the only food Boo will eat  and it doesnt make him   

[bby31288]

Can you give me a score for below??? It is Blue Buffalo puppy formula....
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Rye, Whole Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Menhaden Fish Meal (natural source of DHA-Docosahexaneoic Acid), Tomato Pomace (natural source of Lycopene), Natural Chicken Flavor, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Dried Egg, Blueberries, Cranberries, Flaxseed, Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Kelp Meal, Taurine, L-Carnitine, L-Lysine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Turmeric, Garlic, Sunflower Oil (natural source of Omega 6 Fatty Acids), Herring Oil (natural source of Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Dried Chicory Root, Black Malted Barley, Oil of Rosemary, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin C, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Calcium Ascorbate (source of Vitamin C), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin (Vitamin B3), Calcium Pantothenate (Vitamin B5), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Dicalcium Phosphate, Zinc Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Zinc), Iron Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Iron), Copper Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Copper), Manganese Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Manganese), Potassium Amino Acid Complex (source of Chelated Potassium), Cobalt Proteinate (source of Chelated Cobalt), Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Selenite, Salt, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bacillus subtilis, Bifidobacterium thermophilum, Bifidobacterium longum, Enterococcus faecium.

[EDDEL]

Hi there (sorry , don't know your name), I've graded Abby's puppy food .  You can see the breakdown & score in the List of foods graded thread (last post) .

[bby31288]

Thanks!! My name is Beth.   Im trying to get a picture up!!!

[superluvrgurl]

Hill's® Science Diet® Puppy Small Bites
Can Someone please grade this kibble for me? I found two science diet formulas that were graded, but not the one the I am using for chloe. Here is the information from the package:

Puppy Small Bites
Rich in fish oil and nourishing fatty acids


Hill's® Science Diet® Puppy Small Bites dog food provides precisely balanced nutrition to build immunity and enhance mobility for puppies who prefer a smaller kibble. It is enriched with DHA from high quality fish oil and made with high quality ingredients that provide an ideal combination of nutrients, clinically proven antioxidants and vital fatty acids to give your puppy the best start in life.



Ingredients

Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Liver Flavor, Flaxseed, Soybean Oil, Powdered Cellulose, Dried Beet Pulp, Fish Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Dried Egg Product, Iodized Salt, DL-Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Natural Flavor, vitamins (L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Vitamin E Supplement, minerals (Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), L-Tryptophan, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, L-Carnitine, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.


Average Nutrient Contents

Nutrient   -  Dry Matter%
Protein 32.0
Fat 22.9
Carbohydrate (NFE) 33.0
Crude Fiber 3.6
 
Calcium 1.48
Phosphorus 1.21
Sodium 0.60
Potassium 0.89
Magnesium 0.113
Vitamin C 407 mg/kg
Vitamin E 674 IU/kg
DHA 0.220
Omega-3 Fatty Acids Total 1.74

 ¹The nutrient in the product after moisture is removed. It is used to make direct comparisons of nutrient profiles of products with differing moisture contents.

Also here is the company's website page for this perticular type of food. I'm not sure if you would need information from there or not http://www.hillspet.com/hillspet/products/productDetails.hjsp?PRODUCT<>prd_id=845524441760405

Thanks

[chui888]

Hello all

Is there anyone can rate the dogswell kibbles too, for some reason Mochi LOVES this kibbles alottttt... and as I see the ingredients are OK to me, but i just hope someone can score them for me...

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HAPPY HIPS® Chicken & Oats Recipe
 
Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oats, Barley, Brown Rice, Natural Flavor, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Flaxseed, Tomato Pomace, Sweet Potatoes, Apples, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Saccharomyces Cerevisiae, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Zinc Proteinate, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin, Iron Proteinate, Pantothenic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Copper Proteinate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Garlic Powder, Chicory Root Extract, Manganese Proteinate, Folic Acid, Chondroitin Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Proteinate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Mixed Tocopherols (Natural Preservative), Sodium Selenite, Rosemary Extract.

Guaranteed Analysis
crude protein 24% (min)
crude fat 12% (min)
crude fiber 5.5% (max)
moisture 10% (max)
glucosamine hydrochloride* 600mg/kg (min)
chondroitin sulfate* 300mg/kg (min)
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.

Need help rating a couple of brands I couldn't find.

Blue Buffalo Puppy Chicken & Brown Rice

Here is the link to recipe:  http://www.bluebuff.com/products/dogs/lp-puppy-chick.shtml

Only saw review on for BB Chicken & Brown Rice, no Puppy formula


Here is a new brand that the people at All Pets Club were recommending.  Never had heard of it. 

Dogswell Vitality Chicken & Oats (not sure if this is for puppy or adult dog, but person recommended for puppy)

Here is the link:  http://www.dogswell.com/?title=126

Also Dogswell Happy Hips Chicken & Oats (not sure if for puppy or adult dog either)

Here is the link:  http://www.dogswell.com/?title=125

[Carol]

Hi Charing and welcome back from your holidays! Give little Mochi a big hug from Auntie Carol! With the information you provided, I have rated your Happy Hips Chicken & Oats kibble and I come up with 105 points which is really good!
Can you tell me if it says on the bag anywhere that it has been indorsed by major breed group or nutritionist? that would add extra points. Hope this helps. I think it would be an excellent kibble for Mochi - he likes it!!! he has good taste. Hope this helped.

[chui888]

Thanks Auntie Carol... i saw your vacation pix too.. YAY~~~ so nice ... hahhaha .. I just checked the bag.. I don't see any endorsement for it, but it has the score for 105.. that's GOOD enuf for Mr Mochi to eat ... wahhahah this picky eater is really annoying sometimes cuz he just dont' eat some healthy food and now I found one.. so that's GOOD :D

[Carol]

That is really good, Charing!! You are such a good Mommy.

[chui888]

thanks Carol... i really hope Mochi can stay as long as he could.. cuz he is just too cute to be true .... XOXOXO

[Carol]

thanks Carol... i really hope Mochi can stay as long as he could.. cuz he is just too cute to be true .... XOXOXO

And I just have to agree 

[madz_1303]

  Can Someone please grade this kibbles for me?  It's just hard to find a grade A Kibble here in Bahrain.  :fluff:Ingmar's breeder used to feed im Hill's Scince diet and currently he is on Royal Canin mini adult.Leila used to have the Purina puppy chow but she just  started this kibble (Freshway Holistic Chicken & Rice: (21% Protein, 16% Fat) and she likes it and ( Large Breed PuppyProformance).I was thinking of changing Ingmar's kibble from Royal to Proformance Puppy if this product is better.Thank you in advance.   
 

Freshway Holistic Chicken & Rice: (21% Protein, 16% Fat)
With Nutritious Fruits and Vegetables
Complete & Balanced Nutrition

Freshway Holistic Chicken & Rice formula is scientifically formulated for the long term health of your pet and is produced from safe, natural ingredients. Our chicken originates in human food facilities in which no antibiotics or hormones are used. Our grains are herbicide free and ground fresh daily in
our facility. We use no artificial preservatives, colors or flavors in any Freshway Holistic formulas.
    * No meat byproducts, corn, corn gluten, wheat or soy
    * Includes nutritious fruits and vegetables
    * Balanced levels of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids to reduce shedding
    * With oatmeal, natural prebiotics, probiotics and digestive enzymes for good intestinal health
    * Antioxidants to support a healthy immune system
    * Natural kelp encapsulation to preserve vitamin potency

Freshway Holistic Chicken & Rice formula contains many beneficial natural ingredients, including healthy fruits, vegetables, herbs and digestive enzymes. To learn more please visit us at http://www.proformancepet.com/dogholistic.php
Ingredients:chicken meal (>24%), brown rice (>22%), rice flour, fruits and vegetables (>12%) beet pulp, alfalfa, apples, blueberries, carrots, tomatoes, kelp, peas, broccoli, spinach, chicory root, yucca shidigera), chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), oatmeal, natural chicken flavor, flaxseed, dried egg, brewers yeast, salt, shellfish flour, poultry cartilage, L-Carnitine, lactobacillus casei, enterococcus faecium, vitamins and minerals
Average Analysis: protein 21.7%, fat 16.6%, fiber 3.0%, moisture 8.5%, calcium 1.0%, phosphorus 0.8%, sodium 0.3%. Per kg: vitamin A 15,000 IU, vitamin C 33 mg, vitamin D3 900 IU, vitamin E 200


Large Breed Puppy: (26% Protein, 14% Fat)
Large and Giant Breed Puppies, to One Year
Complete & Balanced Nutrition

Large Breed PuppyProformance Large Breed Puppy is specifically formulated to provide proper and safe nutrition during the all-important first year of your pet’s life.
    * Special lamb and rice formula designed for the needs of large and giant breed puppies
    * Natural shellfish flour and poultry cartilage to support healthy bone joints and cartilage
    * With oatmeal, natural prebiotics, probiotics and digestive enzymes
    * Antioxidants to support a healthy immune system
    * Balanced levels of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids for healthy skin and coat
    * Natural kelp encapsulation to preserve vitamin potency

Proformance Large Breed Puppy Puppy formula contains many beneficial ingredients, including peas, alfalfa, deep water ocean kelp, chicory root, yucca, L-Carnitine and natural digestive enzymes.
Ingredients: lamb meal (>20%), brown rice (>18%), rice flour, maize, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), maize gluten, oatmeal, beet pulp (sugar removed), dried egg, flaxseed, natural flavor, brewers yeast, salt, alfalfa, peas, kelp, chicory root, shellfish flour, poultry cartilage, yucca shidigera, L-Carnitine, lactobacillus casei, enterococcus faecium, vitamins and minerals.
Average Analysis: protein 26.5%, fat 14.4%, fiber 3.5%, moisture 8.5%, calcium 1.2%, phosphorus 1.0%, sodium 0.3%. Per kg: vitamin A 20,000 IU, vitamin C 33 mg, vitamin D3 900 IU, vitamin E 200

Puppy: (30% Protein, 20% Fat)
Small and Medium Breed Puppies, to One Year
Complete and Balanced Nutrition

Proformance Puppy is specifically formulated to provide proper and safe nutrition during the all-important first year of your pet’s life. Our chicken originates in human food facilities in which no antibiotics or hormones are used. Our grains are herbicide free and ground fresh daily in our facility. We use no artificial preservatives, colors or flavors in any Proformance formulas.
    * Specially designed for the needs of small and medium breed puppies
    * With oatmeal, natural prebiotics, probiotics and digestive enzymes for good intestinal health
    * Antioxidants for a healthy immune system
    * Balanced levels of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids for healthy skin and coat
    * Natural kelp encapsulation to preserve vitamin potency

Proformance Puppy formula contains many beneficial ingredients, including peas, alfalfa, deep water ocean kelp, chicory root, yucca, L-Carnitine and natural digestive enzymes.
Ingredients: chicken meal (>25%), brown rice (>15%), maize, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), maize gluten, beet pulp (sugar removed), oatmeal, natural chicken flavor, flaxseed, dried egg, brewers yeast, salt, alfalfa, peas, kelp, chicory root, yucca shidigera, L-Carnitine, lactobacillus casei, enterococcus faecium, vitamins and minerals.
Average Analysis: protein 30.0%, fat 20.0%, fiber 3.5%, moisture 8.5%, calcium 1.2%, phosphorus 1.0%, sodium 0.3%. Per kg: vitamin A 20,000 IU, vitamin C 33 mg, vitamin D3 900 IU, vitamin E 200 IU, copper 25.0 mg, L-Carnitine 25 mg, Omega 6/3 ratio: 7:1. Contains EC permitted antioxidant: mixed tocopherols.

[shrimpey (Alaina)]

Would someone be so kind to grade the new food i've had to put Jemma on (our local petstore is no longer able to get the Now Grain Free Puppy formula so i've had to switch Jemma onto a new food as I can't get it in town and to purchase it online and have it sent to me would cost way too much) 

She is now on the Orijen Regional Red

The Ingredients are as follows
Fresh deboned wild boar, fresh deboned lamb, lamb meal, russet potato, fresh deboned pork, peas, salmon meal, whitefish meal*, herring meal, fresh deboned bison, fresh whole eggs, potato starch, fresh deboned salmon (a natural source of DHA and EPA), alfalfa, sweet potato, fresh deboned walleye, salmon oil (naturally preserved with vitamin E and citric acid), pea fiber, psyllium, pumpkin, tomatoes, carrots, apples, cranberries, Saskatoon berries, black currants, chicory root, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, organic kelp, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, zinc proteinate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, vitamin B5, iron proteinate, vitamin B6, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, selenium, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.

*orijen whitefish is made with flounder, halibut and cod caught wild from the north pacific ocean.

You can view their website at http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/products/regionalRedIngredients.aspx

Thanks,
Alaina and Jemma   

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Orijen Regional Red

rates 117! See breakdown Here

[carolhinfla]

Has anyone ever graded Ultra by Nutra ? here are the ingrediance     
 Ingredients - Small Breed Adult Dry Kibble     
Chicken Meal, Whole Brown Rice, Ground Rice, Rice Bran, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Chicken, Lamb Meal, Salmon Meal, Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Natural Flavors, Flaxseed, Oatmeal, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Soybean Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Tomato Pomace, Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Dried Pomegranate, Dried Blueberry, Dried Avocado, Dried Cranberry, Dried Pumpkin, Dried Spinach, Dried Carrot, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, L-Carnitine, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), Biotin, Copper Proteinate, Niacin Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Sodium Selenite, Manganese Proteinate, Beta Carotene, Manganous Oxide, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.
Scruffy and I thank you very much!!

[LunasMum (Traci)]

I did Nutro Ultra once when I was looking at foods, don't know if it was ever posted. Will find it for you tomorrow and post it. Going to bed right now. 

[carolhinfla]

Thank you,  Hope you slept well and had sweet dreams......

[carolhinfla]

I was just wondering because the rep at the pet store said they were reintroducing it with a new formula.   

[dottydogs]

Hi

Can you please grade this food - Taste of the Wild - Pacific Salmon - these are the ingredients.  Thanks.


A fish protein, grain-free formula for all life stages with sweet potatoes provides highly digestible energy for your sensitive dog. Made with real smoked salmon, this formula offers a taste sensation like no other. Supplemented with fruits and vegetables, this fish and potato formula delivers natural antioxidants to protect your friend's body from the damage of everyday living, supporting a healthy immune system and overall good health. Your dog craves a taste of the wild. Go ahead and give him one.

Protein: 25% Fat: 15%
Calories: 3,600 kcal/kg (360 kcal/cup) Calculated Metabolizable Energy
Available in 5lb, 15lb and 30lb bags.

Ingredients
Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, canola oil, salmon meal, smoked salmon, potato fiber, natural flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried fermentation products of Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus plantarum, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

[bby31288]

Dell, Can you please grade this food for me!  My pet store stopped carrying my Blue Buffalo Food! I know the beet pulp = bad, fish mean = bad, whole eggs would be better than egg product.  HELP!

Ingredients
Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, cracked pearl barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and vitamin E), egg product, beet pulp, potatoes, fish meal, flaxseed, natural flavor, brewers dried yeast, millet, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, carrots, peas, kelp, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, dried chicory root, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.


Guaranteed analysis
Crude protein 24% min
Crude fat 16% min
Crude fiber 4% min
Moisture 10% min
Calcium 1% min
Phosphorus 0.8% min
Zinc 200 mg/kg min
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg min
Vitamin E 150IU/kg min
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 2.5% min
Omega-3 Fatty Acids 0.4% min
Glucosamine Hydrochloride 300 mg/kg

[EDDEL]

Can you please grade this food - Taste of the Wild - Pacific Salmon - these are the ingredients.  Thanks.

Terri, I've graded Taste of the Wild / Pacific Salmon for you (click here to see its score).  Fish appears 4 times in the ingredients list... which means there's more fish than carbo (potatoes in this case).

Dell, Can you please grade this food for me!  My pet store stopped carrying my Blue Buffalo Food! I know the beet pulp = bad, fish mean = bad, whole eggs would be better than egg product.  HELP!

Beth, you didn't say what's the brand/name of the kibble.  Anyway, I've graded it (click here to see its score). Please get back to me so I can include the kibble's brand/name.

[bby31288]

Thanks so much!  It was Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice & Veggies.  My petsmart used to carry the blue buffalo, but they haven't had it.  They have the IAMS and the others, but their ratings, not so good.  I'm not a big advocate on switching foods.  But thankfully I have some Blue Buffalo left, so I can hopefully slowly transfer her over to which ever I end up with.

[dottydogs]

Thanks Dell - I was very interested to know because since I changed Teddi-Bobby on to this food his skin has dramatically improved... thanks again

[Dotties Mum (Robyn)]

Could someone please grade this dry food for me:

Sentient Yoghurt Plus

Ingredients

Lamb & beef meat meals, wheat, sorghum, corn, oats, vegetables, rice, wheat gluten, animal fats from beef & poultry, vegetable oil, field peas, fish meal, Di-calcium phosphate, choline Choride, natural preservative, brewer yeast, sea salt, glucosamine, calcium, flax seed oil, beef tallow-preserved with mixed tocopheralas (Source of vitamin E), potassium, chloride, garlic, kelp,, soya meal, selenium, antioxidants, essential vitamins and minerals-E, A, B12, D3) Probiotics Lactobacilus &Bifida Bacterium(Yoghurt)

CONTAINS NO ARTIFICAL FLAVOURS

Guarantee Analysis

Protein 26%
Fat; 12%
Fibre; 4%
Moisture; 10%
Salt; 0.75%
Omega 6; 1.95%
Omega 3;0.25%
Calcium; 1.0%
Phosphorous; 0.8%
Energy; 365kcal/100g

And this

Nutro Natural Choice Lite

INGREDIENTS

Ground Rice, Dried Lamb, Dried Beet Pulp, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavours, Chicken Fat, Iodised Salt, Natural Antioxidants (including Mixed Tocopherols and Rosemary Extract), Dried Chicory Root, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Choline Chloride, Vitamin C, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulphate, Marigold Meal, Dried Kelp, L-Carnitine, Ferrous Sulphate, Copper Sulphate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B1), Niacin Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Selenium, Vitamin B6, Folic Acid.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Crude Protein (Min.).........19.0%
Crude Fat (Min.).................9.0%
Crude Fibre (Max.).............5.0%
Moisture (Max)..................10.0%
Ash (Max.)............................9.5%
Salt (as NaCl) (Max.)..........1.2%
Linoleic Acid (Min.).............2.0%
L-Carnitine..................200mg/kg
Zinc (Min.)...................430mg/kg
Vitamin E (Min.)...........500IU/kg
Vitamin C (Min.).........200mg/kg

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Sentient Yoghurt plus

2. For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", "meat meal" or "poultry fat") reference, subtract 10 points

8. If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points

9. If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10. If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil,subtract 2 Points

13. If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points

14. If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point

15. If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Now at 79 points

19. If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

21. If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

24. If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

25. If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

27. For every different specific animal protein source (other than the 1st one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source), add 1 point

28. If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

Rates at 90 Points.

I tried to find their website to see if I could give more credit for it being baked or organic but could not find it. The other thing is that they have beef tallow marked as an ingredient. This is what McDonalds use to cook their fries and and was made to stop because of how bad it is for people (clogs arteries). It basically like feeding lard. (But lard is rendered pork tallow instead of beef)

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Nutro Natural Choice Lite


6. If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 Meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

11. If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is Allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

15. If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Now is at 94

Extra Credit:

26. If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

Score is 95.

[kjb131313]

How does Orijen Puppy Food stack up?
It was awarded Pet Food of the Year by the Glycemic Research Institute in Washington D.C. (whatever that means?) The one thing I like about this food also, is it is a family owned company that produces all the food in 1 plant in Alberta, Canada. You can also tour the factory if you want. I feel REALLY good about feeding Toby this food. But it is sure hard to find locally. 



INGREDIENTS
Fresh deboned chicken, chicken meal, turkey meal, russet potato, fresh deboned salmon (a natural source of DHA and EPA), herring meal, sweet potato, peas, fresh deboned lake whitefish, salmon meal, fresh deboned walleye, chicken liver, fresh deboned turkey, chicken fat (naturally preserved with vitamin E and citric acid), fresh whole eggs, fresh deboned herring, sun-cured alfalfa, salmon oil, chicory root, dehydrated organic kelp, pumpkin, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, saskatoon berries, black currants, choline chloride, psyllium, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, sea salt, vitamin supplements (vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, vitamin C, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, vitamin B5, vitamin B6, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12), mineral supplements (zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium), dried Lactobacillus acidophilus product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.




GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein (min.)   40.0%
Crude Fat (min.)   20.0%
Crude Fiber (max.)   3.0%
Moisture (max.)   10.0%
Calcium (min.)   1.6%
Calcium (max.)   1.8%
Phosphorus (min.)   1.2%
Phosphorus (max.)   1.4%
*Omega-6 (min.)   3.2%
*Omega-3 (min.)
     *DHA
     *EPA   1.2%
0.7%
0.4%
*Carbohydrate (max.)   18.0%
*Glucosamine (min.)   1400 mg/kg
*Chondroitin (min.)   1200 mg/kg
*Microorganisms (min.)   120M cfu/kg
BOTANICAL INCLUSIONS
Chicory root   700 mg/kg
Licorice root   500 mg/kg
Angelica root   350 mg/kg
Fenugreek   350 mg/kg
Marigold flowers   350 mg/kg
Sweet Fennel   350 mg/kg
Peppermint leaf   300 mg/kg
Chamomile flowers   300 mg/kg
Dandelion root   150 mg/kg
Summer savory   150 mg/kg
VITAMINS
Vitamin A   15 kIU/kg
Vitamin D3   2 kIU/kg
Vitamin E   400 IU/kg
Vitamin B12   0.5 mg/kg
Thiamine   50 mg/kg
Riboflavin   50 mg/kg
Niacin   250 mg/kg
Pan. Acid (B5)   32 mg/kg
Pyridoxine (B6)   26 mg/kg
Biotin   1 mg/kg
Folic Acid   3 mg/kg
Choline   2700 mg/kg
Ascorbic Acid   55 mg/kg
Beta carotene   0.40 mg/kg
AMINO ACIDS
Taurine   0.3 mg/kg
T. Lysine   2.7%
T. Threonine   1.65%
T. Methionine   0.87%
T. Isoleucine   1.60%
T. Leucine   2.9%
T. Valine   1.9%
T. Arginine   2.9%
T. Phen.   1.6%
T. Histidine   0.85%
T. Cystine   0.5%
MINERALS
Sodium   0.4%
Chloride   0.6%
Potassium   0.65%
Magnesium   0.10%
Sulphur   0.4%
Manganese   14 mg/kg
Cobalt   0.47 mg/kg
Iodine   3.5 mg/kg
Selenium   0.5 mg/kg
Iron   200 mg/kg
Zinc   150 mg/kg
Copper   13 mg/kg

[LunasMum (Traci)]

Orijen Puppy Food

15. If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

So far a rating of 99. but lets add...

Extra Credit:

17. If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points

19. If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

20. If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

21. If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

22. If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

27. For every different specific animal protein source (other than the 1st one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source), add 1 point (+6)

28. If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

29. If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point


Rating of 123.

 Very good. I looked at their website and it states that the meat is free range, that usually means antibiotic and hormone free so I am assuming that. Looks like great stuff. makes me want to find a supplier myself.

[kjb131313]

yay!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to calculate that for me. I appreciate it!!!! Toby is on day 2 of the food and loves it.  I feel good feeding him that food and I think it is great that is gets so excited to eat his dinner. 

[Phoenix]

Hi everyone,  and will be making a "intro" thread in the next day or so, but wanted to make a request to have my recent kibble purchase graded.

I am new to dog ownership (self-professed cat lover), but recently a 3 1/2 year old Bichon captured my heart.  He is a rescue that has had a rough life and it is my hopes to ensure the remainder of his years look nothing like his past.  No better place to start than with his food! 

Because of your kibble thread I think I made an okay first purchase but would like the kibble graded so I get a feel for what to look for and avoid (some of the ingredients I was iffy about)...so I am requesting some  .  It is a Solid Gold brand that I didn't see listed as already graded (the one that was is different).

Solid Gold
Small breed All Life Stages
"Just a WEE BIT"

#1 Bison | #2 Ocean Fish Meal | #3 Brown Rice | #4 Millet | #5 Cracked Pearled Barley | Rice Bran | Canola Oil* | Tomato Pomace | Flaxseed | Natural Flavor | Salmon Oil (souce of DHA) | Choline Chloride | Taurine | Dried Chicory Root | Parsley Flakes | Pumpkin Meal | Almond Oil* | Sesame Oil* | Yucca Schidgers Extract | Thyme | Blueberries | Cranberries | Carrots | Broccoli | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate** | Zinc Proteinate** | Copper Proteinate** | Ferrous Sulfate | Zinc Sulfate |  Copper Sulfate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Manganese Proteinate** | Manganous Oxide | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Pantothenate | Manganese Sulfate | Sodium Selenite | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6) | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid

*Preserved with mixed tocopherols
**A chealated source of

Minimum Analysis:
Crude Protein:  28%
Crude Fath 18%
Crude Fiber 4%
Moisture: 10%
DHA .05% (not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile)

 

[EDDEL]

Phoenix, I've graded Solid Gold's Just A Wee Bit (Bison) for you.
It's score is 109, giving it an , per the kibble grading system.

Click here to see the score breakdown .

[Phoenix]

  Eddel!

I did much better than I expected and Fable thanks you all whole-heartedly for improving his health with your thread!   

[Phoenix]

I wanted to add that in conjunction with the kibble grading thread I am now using this page:

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/how-to-understand-pet-food-label-ingredients-%E2%80%93-the-basics.html

...to further help me grade the kibble.  It has additional details about the protein source and goes into how to even determine what vitamins/minerals are better (chelated & proteinated) and other very helpful info in the various articles (such as this):

Now, let’s say you call the ABC pet food company and ask the question “Is your Premium dog food and Premium cat food made using human grade ingredients?” It could be that you get the response yes, we use human grade ingredients – when actually only a couple of ingredients are human grade. Here’s the trick to asking…ask them if they are APHIS European certified.

Pet food manufacturers that are APHIS European certified assures you that ALL ingredients in their pet food are human grade. APHIS – Animal Plant Health Inspection Services – is a division of the USDA. APHIS European certification provides this pet food manufacturer with the opportunity to ship their foods/treats to Europe. When importing pet foods from the US, European countries demand that all ingredients are human grade and thus require this certification. Most pet food manufacturers that have APHIS European certification do not ship their products to Europe – they simply use this as a means to assure their customers to the higher quality of their ingredients.

Again, you WON’T see this listed on the label – it’s not allowed. You must call the manufacturer and ask.

There was also an article there (http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/risk-ingredients-not-listed-on-pet-food-labels.html) that listed the most popular manufacturers and whether or not they use ethoxyquin in their products.  So while they may have a high kibble rating I wouldn't choose them because of the ethoxyquin.

Sheesh!  Who would have thought there was this much to picking a dog food!  I feel mildly overwhelmed by the process! 

I'm just amazed at how much is really out there and how substandard some kibble is allowed to be.  Never in a million years did I think it was possible for ingredients in pet food to include some of what is permissible.  Without your thread I would have never began researching it and would have blindly accepted the food was comparable to human consumption!